This discussion did not belong in Car thread, so posting here in team thread.
ispano6 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:44 am
Moore77 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:17 am
It really makes me chuckle looking at this debate! Mercedes' current chief designer John Owen is with this team since 2007, when the team was Honda F1. He was the Principal Aerodynamicist at Honda!
These horns came in 2008 Honda car. So one can assume, those horns have moved along with John.
Yes, credit should go to where credit is due. Vandoorne said it as well, the reason why the Mercedes team is so strong is because of the continuity of personnel from the last 15 years. That would make it the 2005 Honda team(car side) + Mercedes PU department since Mercedes was still a supplier to McLaren at the time.
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/formula-1/ ... 11680.html
Stoffel Vandoorne says the culture inside the Mercedes team is what makes it so dominant.
"The group of people here have been working together for 15 years basically. They know each other so well because there is so little staff turnover.
I agree. Credit where it is due. The current Mercedes F1 team, which was BrawnGP, which was Honda F1 racing, which was BAR and finally, which was Tyrell. The genesis of this success starts with Tyrell being the foundation. Not until the Mercedes engine sat in their chassis, that they could win a championship.
The true architect of the success of this team, is Ross Brawn. There is a podcast interview of Ross Brawn on F1.com where he says, when he took over the BAR Honda reins, the team was in poor shape. The Honda management thought, it was chassis which was bad and Engine was great. But when Brawn met the management after having a deeper analysis and presented the fact that, Engine was equally poor, the Honda management showed utter disbelief because they were made to believe that the Engine was rocket and car was crap.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/arch ... the-legend
Brawn arrived too late, however, to have much influence on the 2008 car, which proved to be yet another dog, Rubens Barrichello scoring 11 points, Button only three.
“We all know,” says Ross, “that aerodynamics form the fundamental platform of a modern F1 car, but Loïc Bigois and others hadn’t been here long, and hadn’t had the opportunity to put the best package together. No one had a vision of what sort of car they wanted to create.
“The other thing was that Honda believed they had the best engine in F1, and it had to be made clear to them that they didn’t! The chassis wasn’t great – and the engine wasn’t great. Those were the facts.”
When Honda stepped out, Brawn had to lay off 275 people from the race team.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/braw ... -5363.html
Since Brawn GP became Mercedes, there was attrition also overtime. Some of those who survived were the likes of James Vowell, Andy Shovlin and Ron Meadows, who are extremely efficient people, but mostly on the operations side. The Chassis side wasn't great until the induction of the likes of Bob Bell, Geoff Willis and Aldo Costa. The chassis team then went from around 400+ people in 2010 to close to 1000 people in the last 8 years. So, essentially, the greatest portion and the most effective part on the aero and vehicle dynamics, is all new.
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