Red Bull RB16

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wesley123 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:49 pm
yener wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:08 am
Sorry for my earlier post. The rear wing flexing has nothing to do with the suspension angle / geometry. But i'm almost a 100% sure the twitchy rear of the RB16 is due to the flexing rear wing. RB16 is simply not fast enough trough the mid and highspeed courners, because that the rear wing angle is not stable from a certain speed which cause instability at the rear. Just watch the movie below.
Flex wings are nothing new, the extent on which you see here isn't either.

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etusch wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:16 pm
wesley123 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:49 pm
yener wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:08 am
Sorry for my earlier post. The rear wing flexing has nothing to do with the suspension angle / geometry. But i'm almost a 100% sure the twitchy rear of the RB16 is due to the flexing rear wing. RB16 is simply not fast enough trough the mid and highspeed courners, because that the rear wing angle is not stable from a certain speed which cause instability at the rear. Just watch the movie below.
Flex wings are nothing new, the extent on which you see here isn't either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhwPSAI-dOo
Ah yes, DRS in the old days.

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Some nice shots of RB16 in Mugello (from Motorsport.com)
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Awesome view of the tightly packaged rear and floor surface area:

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehk4VqQXgAI ... name=large
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They also went back to the old sidepod-configuration / sidepod-shape.
top: Mugello, bottom: Spa
look at the transition below the E-sign and above the D and B letter from the RedBull-logo.

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And a nice diffusor picture:
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lio007 wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:27 am
They also went back to the old sidepod-configuration / sidepod-shape.
top: Mugello, bottom: Spa
look at the transition below the E-sign and above the D and B letter from the RedBull-logo.

https://i.imgur.com/GF0INI4.jpg

And a nice diffusor picture:
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... _HiRes.jpg
Yep... Let's hope for their sake that it was a decision purely based on cooling requirements (previous spec definitely had more tightly wrapped intercoolers), not that the upgrade package didn't work (also interesting to note that engine overheating was the declared cause of VES' Monza retirement... New PU directives taking their toll?)...

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HungarianRacer wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:36 am
lio007 wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:27 am
They also went back to the old sidepod-configuration / sidepod-shape.
top: Mugello, bottom: Spa
look at the transition below the E-sign and above the D and B letter from the RedBull-logo.

https://i.imgur.com/GF0INI4.jpg

And a nice diffusor picture:
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... _HiRes.jpg
New PU directives taking their toll?)...
Nope, new td not an issue.

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This team is the king of iterative design. Every race they reprofile so many aero surfaces. It looks like the car is the same, or reverts to older parts, but if you pay attention you see how many subtle changes they make every single race.

Sochi will be a big test to see if they're getting on top of the car, some of the updates and test parts show promising results.
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looks like another version of merceds-amg w11 rear suspension with the torque arm mounted on to the crash structure
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Another floor comparison.

This was a pretty significant upgrade. Will have definitely helped reduce turbulence from the rear tire area, which can have negative effects on diffuser performance (as the rear tire literally shoots air sideways toward the diffuser as it deforms).

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zibby43 wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:14 pm
Another floor comparison.

This was a pretty significant upgrade. Will have definitely helped reduce turbulence from the rear tire area, which can have negative effects on diffuser performance (as the rear tire literally shoots air sideways toward the diffuser as it deforms).

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -com-1.jpg

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The tire tubulence has a dead zone right where the floor is aiming air at. By pushing airmass to the deadzone, the pressure is increased, and as air likes to go to the area of lowest pressure so it can be full of itself, it'll go to the inside of the tire because the diffuser is low pressure. The tapered front wings do the same thing, aim more air mass at the tire deadzone. The vortex tunnels of the 2014-2018 wings did this very well.

One thing I still don't understand is how brake ducts themselves give an aero advantage, or is Mercedes brake ducts more to control tire temperature? If Mercedes brake ducts are letting them get the tires in exactly the right window it would explain the gaps in qualifying vs race pace. Tires being in and out of the window is easily worth over half a second. Over a race stint tires will reach a temperature equilibrium vs qualifying where you're driving slowly on your out lap to prepare the tire.
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