His answer was very childish indeed. Just imagine a person at his position claiming that F3 drivers didnt crash so it is F1 driver's problem.cooken wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 14:52Why exactly are you singling out Russel? From what I've seen it was a bit of a cumulative thing, but if anything we can single out Kvyat. The recent overview from JP mentions him too. It seems like everyone back to and including Lando was keeping a relatively consistent gap to the car in front.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... I76K7.html
Part of the problem I have with Masi is that he's putting it all on the drivers. Sure they are culpable to some extent, but the mature and reasoned response would be to always see how he as race director can help avoid situations like this, exercise due diligence. His response was petty and childish. He easily could have said "let's see how we can improve things so that we don't place drivers in a position to take such risks, but keep in mind the drivers ultimately have to participate and so will always share the responsibility for how the events unfold".
From the replays I have seen, Russel had a gap to the cars in front. Him accelerating to catch up to them triggered the cars behind him to think the race is on again. He slows down and swings to the right so he gets missed by the cars colliding behind him.cooken wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 14:52Why exactly are you singling out Russel? From what I've seen it was a bit of a cumulative thing, but if anything we can single out Kvyat. The recent overview from JP mentions him too. It seems like everyone back to and including Lando was keeping a relatively consistent gap to the car in front.
That's effectively what a VSC does. Maybe that's an alternative, the SC transitions into a VSC and once the SC is safely in the pits they can lift the VSC randomly. Or maybe they will just go back to turning the SC lights off several corners before the finish line.notsofast wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 22:04When the safety car is deployed, it is deployed for everyone at the same time; no passing allowed. So, when the safety car period ends, passing should be allowed for everyone at the same time as well. If Masi wants to spice things up for the show, he can choose when to turn the track back to green, but once it's green, everyone should be able to pass.
I still think that a proper spotter/race engineer constantly reporting on the radio could have prevented this. You can often hear in Indycar when they play onboard radios during restarts how they're doing it > If you're back in the pack, your spotter constantly says "hold on, hold on..." ..and then "green, green ,go,go"...something along this. No matter where you are in the pack, you'll still know when you should accelerate. Accidents still happen there too, but there's no big speed delta between the cars. Maybe this is also prohibited before race starts/restarts in F1?Diesel wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 22:37That's effectively what a VSC does. Maybe that's an alternative, the SC transitions into a VSC and once the SC is safely in the pits they can lift the VSC randomly. Or maybe they will just go back to turning the SC lights off several corners before the finish line.notsofast wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 22:04When the safety car is deployed, it is deployed for everyone at the same time; no passing allowed. So, when the safety car period ends, passing should be allowed for everyone at the same time as well. If Masi wants to spice things up for the show, he can choose when to turn the track back to green, but once it's green, everyone should be able to pass.
Can't blame Kvyat because he didn't crash into anyone in front of him. Giovinazzi is at fault because he was first to actually ram into someone in front of him. There is no rule that says you can't speed up and then slow down before the start-finish line. You're not allowed to pass anyone until after the start-finish line. Sure, Kvyat had to slow down, but he didn't ram anyone. Giovinazzi was going too fast to be able to slow himself down in time. Simple as that.cooken wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 14:52Why exactly are you singling out Russel? From what I've seen it was a bit of a cumulative thing, but if anything we can single out Kvyat. The recent overview from JP mentions him too. It seems like everyone back to and including Lando was keeping a relatively consistent gap to the car in front.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... I76K7.html
I believe this isn't allowed? Hence why they kept re-iterating that Valteri was going at a constant speed through the restart. I think Martin Brundle also mentioned that you are not allowed to speed up and slow down randomly.
Giovinazzi couldn't see anything about what's happening , he was just following a car. That's why I think these restart should be guided by a spotter constantly guiding the driver trough the restart process.ispano6 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2020, 02:10Can't blame Kvyat because he didn't crash into anyone in front of him. Giovinazzi is at fault because he was first to actually ram into someone in front of him. There is no rule that says you can't speed up and then slow down before the start-finish line. You're not allowed to pass anyone until after the start-finish line. Sure, Kvyat had to slow down, but he didn't ram anyone. Giovinazzi was going too fast to be able to slow himself down in time. Simple as that.cooken wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 14:52Why exactly are you singling out Russel? From what I've seen it was a bit of a cumulative thing, but if anything we can single out Kvyat. The recent overview from JP mentions him too. It seems like everyone back to and including Lando was keeping a relatively consistent gap to the car in front.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... I76K7.html
I think Kvyat being blamed is simply down to people blaming Russell, Kvyat left a big gap, Norris in front of Kvyat never floored it, and never left a big gap to Perez. Kvyat then floored it, Ocon went with him, Russell realised "oh crap, I better get going" then everyone followed. Kvyat realised "crap , they havent gone for it yet, brake" Ocon, Russell, KMag, Latifi all slow and avoid a crash. Gio piles in and takes out multiple cars.ispano6 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2020, 02:10Can't blame Kvyat because he didn't crash into anyone in front of him. Giovinazzi is at fault because he was first to actually ram into someone in front of him. There is no rule that says you can't speed up and then slow down before the start-finish line. You're not allowed to pass anyone until after the start-finish line. Sure, Kvyat had to slow down, but he didn't ram anyone. Giovinazzi was going too fast to be able to slow himself down in time. Simple as that.cooken wrote: ↑16 Sep 2020, 14:52Why exactly are you singling out Russel? From what I've seen it was a bit of a cumulative thing, but if anything we can single out Kvyat. The recent overview from JP mentions him too. It seems like everyone back to and including Lando was keeping a relatively consistent gap to the car in front.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... I76K7.html
Yeah I watched it many times and concluded it was Giovinazzi at fault for flooring it without any regard to what was happening. Over-eager before the start-finish line.NathanOlder wrote: ↑18 Sep 2020, 09:11
I think Kvyat being blamed is simply down to people blaming Russell, Kvyat left a big gap, Norris in front of Kvyat never floored it, and never left a big gap to Perez. Kvyat then floored it, Ocon went with him, Russell realised "oh crap, I better get going" then everyone followed. Kvyat realised "crap , they havent gone for it yet, brake" Ocon, Russell, KMag, Latifi all slow and avoid a crash. Gio piles in and takes out multiple cars.
Basically, Gio hit everyone, but it was a chain of events that started with Kvyat leaving a gap, and then going flat out, and then braking hard.
Even in this video with the 'experts' they blame Russell here. They fail to see Kvyat leaving a gap, then accelerating away and then braking again. From Russells onboard, listen how hard he has to accelerate to try and keep up with Ocon. Ocon and Kvyat are flat out! Has anyone seen Kvyat's onboard ?
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