2020 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, September 25 - 27

[siskue2005]

Can someone please tell me where the practice start is meant to be done, because after watching the replay I don't understand where else it could be done.

according to race notes, it should after the pit lane exit lights and in the pit exit only
there is no specifics according to the pdf https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... on%203.pdf
19) Practice starts
19.1 Practice starts may only be carried out on the right-hand side after the pit exit lights and, for the
avoidance of doubt, this includes any time the pit exit is open for the race.
Drivers must leave adequate room on their left for another driver to pass.
19.2 For reasons of safety and sporting equity, cars may not stop in the fast lane at any time the pit exit
is open without a justifiable reason (a practice start is not considered a justifiable reason).



This picture u can see the pit exit in this track is very long, so they can do it anywhere. they just have to pull to the right and not to impede others.

They just say right-hand side after the pit exit lights...so technically Lewis can do it until the safety car lane (which is the end of pit exit)

[zibby43]

Mika Salo leaked the decisions to Finnish broadcasters well before the penalties were announced.

And apparently, Salo is the face of Ninja Casino.

Can anyone say betting fraud?



Hamilton shouldn't have been penalized with an in-race penalty, nor penalty points.

I think the retraction of the penalty points is only the tip of the iceberg with what is going to come down from this absolutely farcical race and farcical set of results.

[Big Tea]

Is it a rule that Hamilton 'HAD' to take the penalty as an extended stop?
I think that if he could tack it on the the end he could easily have pulled out a 10, 15 or 20 second gap as he would not have to pass cars.

[siskue2005]

Is it a rule that Hamilton 'HAD' to take the penalty as an extended stop?
I think that if he could tack it on the the end he could easily have pulled out a 10, 15 or 20 second gap as he would not have to pass cars.

Yes, they have to take it if they pit
If there is no furthur pitstops then only it will be added to the race time

[jz11]

I'll be very impolite and ask another question, because I assume the answer to my previous question was - all the drivers do multiple practice starts during race week end

and I'll immediately STFU and apologize if someone shows me other driver doing practice start where he did, or even closer to the pits, but if you don't, I have one more question - how did the other 19 drivers/race engineers know where to do them?

I think what he’s saying is that it’s totally irrelevant where anyone else did their starts if the notes don’t specifically forbid Hamilton doing his where he did.

Thank you

not is very much NOT irrelevant when 19 others do their practice starts, do not get penalties, your guy does it somewhere where his race engineer thought it was ok, got 2! penalties, yet you blame stewards and the rule wording?

I can't find right now where it defines what the fast lane is technically, I'd think it is the lane from pit entry to the pit exit, defined by the white lines, and 19.2 specifically tells not to stop there for any reason, and I think at least one of those Hamiltons stops/starts was here (red dot):


and I previously said why the rule may have been implemented, because if someone isn't as careful as Hamilton maybe was, he may create unwanted situation of others having to cross the white line and join track in unsafe manner, that didn't happen, but the rule was made specifically for this reason.
and I'll say it again - it is race engineers job to know these things by heart ON THE SPOT, he was to be aware of all these details, so the driver can focus just on driving the car, right now, because of the sloppy job they did with the pit lane closure and this - he puts unnecessary stress on Hamilton to also start to think about these things

they screwed up, again, because no one else got this penalty!

[Just_a_fan]

hmm
https://streamable.com/11p6ld
via /u/Ricci2014_

Simple question of colour. One is black, the other red.

[siskue2005]

I think what he’s saying is that it’s totally irrelevant where anyone else did their starts if the notes don’t specifically forbid Hamilton doing his where he did.

Thank you

not is very much NOT irrelevant when 19 others do their practice starts, do not get penalties, your guy does it somewhere where his race engineer thought it was ok, got 2! penalties, yet you blame stewards and the rule wording?

I can't find right now where it defines what the fast lane is technically, I'd think it is the lane from pit entry to the pit exit, defined by the white lines, and 19.2 specifically tells not to stop there for any reason, and I think at least one of those Hamiltons stops/starts was here (red dot):
https://imgur.com/00f704fe-5eb9-4be9-9833-0d26d8b432b9

and I previously said why the rule may have been implemented, because if someone isn't as careful as Hamilton maybe was, he may create unwanted situation of others having to cross the white line and join track in unsafe manner, that didn't happen, but the rule was made specifically for this reason, and if you pretend not to understand it and blame this on stewards, you're just temporarily mentally impaired (till you begin to worship some other driver)

and I'll say it again - it is race engineers job to know these things by heart ON THE SPOT, he was to be aware of all these details, so the driver can focus just on driving the car, right now, because of the sloppy job they did with the pit lane closure and this - he puts unnecessary stress on Hamilton to also start to think about these things

they screwed up, again, because no one else got this penalty! it should be very clear, yet somehow these points completely pass over your heads...

Lol, if you had paid a tenth of attention to the picture i posted you can clearly see the fast lane marked in that.. please look at above image carefully
The fast lane the lane cars drive in front of the garages
it starts from pit entry line to pit lane end line

It be more crude, it is the lane where the cars use pit limiter and on their right side there are team mechanics are working.
19.1 section talks about this fast lane only.

The practice start is after the pit line light. where u dont have to use pit limiter, hence given for practice starts

Edit: just saw the personal attack and name calling
pathetic really, if you have to resort to this... anyways i have reported it
Please dont expect anymore points from my side...clearly u are not worth it!

[Just_a_fan]

hmm
https://streamable.com/11p6ld
via /u/Ricci2014_

I have said in this topic already that was a penalty for Leclerc imho. They look similar but are not exactly the same, two situations never are. Lewis forced Albon of track,

Well, he didn't but don't let details get in the way...

[jz11]

so what are the sections of that exact lane called to the left and right of the segment shown in your picture?

AGAIN - why no one else got these penalties, and where did they do their practice starts?!

[zeph]

Biggest surprise, Verstappen getting DOTD. What did he do? I would have thought Ricciardo was a prime candidate.

[i70q7m7ghw]

There's nothing in the race notes that says the location Hamilton used was against the regs, it also doesn't state where they should be doing practice starts.

[siskue2005]

There's nothing in the race notes that says the location Hamilton used was against the regs, it also doesn't state where they should be doing practice starts.

Exactly the point i was trying to convey, they just say they can practice starts after the pit light, dont specify exactly where... but hatred is blind and people cant look at it objectively

[jz11]

now this is funny, I don't hate him at all, I started to dislike his antics as of late regarding the politics outside F1, but I have absolutely no hatred at all for him

he messed up with the flag boards, didn't notice 2 of them, now his race engineer failed him - that is what I see

yet you somehow see some conspiracy of stewards against him... and of course he is being scrutinized more than the rest, and it is not because of his skin color, but because he is the best, at the top of his game leading the championship - yet somehow this to some means that they should ignore his and teams mistakes exactly because of that, that is called calling for double standard - and that I absolutely despise!

[jz11]

There's nothing in the race notes that says the location Hamilton used was against the regs, it also doesn't state where they should be doing practice starts.

look at the map I posted, read those 19.1 and 19.2 again and think - why it would be bad if someone stopped there and made others behind him exiting pits to enter the track there

[El Scorchio]

I think what he’s saying is that it’s totally irrelevant where anyone else did their starts if the notes don’t specifically forbid Hamilton doing his where he did.

Thank you

not is very much NOT irrelevant when 19 others do their practice starts, do not get penalties, your guy does it somewhere where his race engineer thought it was ok, got 2! penalties, yet you blame stewards and the rule wording?

I can't find right now where it defines what the fast lane is technically, I'd think it is the lane from pit entry to the pit exit, defined by the white lines, and 19.2 specifically tells not to stop there for any reason, and I think at least one of those Hamiltons stops/starts was here (red dot):
https://i.imgur.com/hVPCHyc.png

and I previously said why the rule may have been implemented, because if someone isn't as careful as Hamilton maybe was, he may create unwanted situation of others having to cross the white line and join track in unsafe manner, that didn't happen, but the rule was made specifically for this reason.
and I'll say it again - it is race engineers job to know these things by heart ON THE SPOT, he was to be aware of all these details, so the driver can focus just on driving the car, right now, because of the sloppy job they did with the pit lane closure and this - he puts unnecessary stress on Hamilton to also start to think about these things

they screwed up, again, because no one else got this penalty!

And if the notes specifically forbade Hamilton doing his starts there you would be right. But the team’s argument is that they do not, or at least that it’s not clearly enough defined to make the penalty justified. You’re saying point blank they are in the wrong without actually knowing for sure yourself.

Either way it’s a moot point because it happened, whether rightly or wrongly. And the penalty was applied, whether it was appropriate or too harsh. No amount of debate is going to change it and it’s likely to have very minimal impact on the outcome of the season. The penalty points might have done, but rightly common sense has at least prevailed with rescinding those.