Honda leaving F1.

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I recall a tall deck V6 with sohc rocker arm similar to crf450 motorcycle.
Seems strange for a race only design, one imagines a short deck, dohc for a cleansheet design.

Edit, i mixed it up with the daytona engine.
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Scorpaguy wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:35 am
djos wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:21 am
If the FIA were smart, they’d mandate a Porsche LMP1 style hybrid system (minus front wheel drive system) .

It’s much simpler than the current overly complicated PU’s and yet super powerful.
...what if FIA made a mandate for all of their series to use the same engine formula. Different series' needs could be addressed in the boost, ERS, and gearbox strategies. Imagine F1, WRC, LMP, etc. all working to extract max HP from the same block.
They tried that a few years back and every one was unimpressed.
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The Honda HI14TT used by Honda in IndyCar since 2014 is DOHC and although I cant find dimension in the released specs, it doesn't look like a tall deck engine.

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The current 2.2L Indycar powerplants are full-race V6 engines. No requirement to use production parts. But there are many restrictions on components and costs to teams.

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Thank you, i concur, i had the 3.5 twin turbo daytona v6 in mind.
My bad.

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Out of context as the prior comment was deleted by the moderator.
I am quoted below, but the context was a response to a deleted prior comment by an forum participent stating the fia allegedly being corrupt for freezing development effectively locking out challengers.
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coaster wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:10 am
Agreed, time to purge.
Let it all bankrupt and maybe from the ashes a new series may form.
Have you seen how long it has taken Indy Car to rebuild after CART imploded? It imo is still not up to its late 90's and early Noughties best!
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coaster wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:10 am
Agreed, time to purge.
Let it all bankrupt and maybe from the ashes a new series may form.
You do not need to go that far, quit and promote F2 to the top
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Big Tea wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:26 am
coaster wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:10 am
Agreed, time to purge.
Let it all bankrupt and maybe from the ashes a new series may form.
You do not need to go that far, quit and promote F2 to the top
More likely Formula E.

That's where the future is headed eventually. Why not have F1 take the EV crown and run with it.

You would find VW Group, BMW, Honda and many more jumping at the chance to develop world beating EV motors with a sporty reputation.

I know it's not what petrol heads want, but it is coming and sooner than many of us could have imagined.
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adrianjordan wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:31 am
Big Tea wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:26 am
coaster wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:10 am
Agreed, time to purge.
Let it all bankrupt and maybe from the ashes a new series may form.
You do not need to go that far, quit and promote F2 to the top
More likely Formula E.

That's where the future is headed eventually. Why not have F1 take the EV crown and run with it.

You would find VW Group, BMW, Honda and many more jumping at the chance to develop world beating EV motors with a sporty reputation.

I know it's not what petrol heads want, but it is coming and sooner than many of us could have imagined.
I really can not see that happening as FE was set up to 'spite' F1. Or rather, the previous management of F1.

It is the golden child of FIA directly, none of this run by Ecclestone and co nonsense that do not follow orders.

I dont know that even a change of management will make any difference, its Tods 'baby'
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Honda sticking to Indycar's 2023 engine just shows that the "carbon neutral by 2050" claims are plain excuses for leaving F1!

How much of a hypocrisy's this? Even the architecture of Indycar's engine is way outdated...simple engine with KERS...something F1 had 10 years back!

But that's OEMs for you! They get in n out whenever they want to and for no apparent reason!

So they're just saying: "Deal with it F1" 8)
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"decided to conclude its participation in the FIA*1 Formula One (F1) World Championship as a power unit supplier at the end of the 2021 season"
Not supply engines, ok, what else is ruled out?

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AMG.Tzan wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:39 am
Honda sticking to Indycar's 2023 engine just shows that the "carbon neutral by 2050" claims are plain excuses for leaving F1!

How much of a hypocrisy's this? Even the architecture of Indycar's engine is way outdated...simple engine with KERS...something F1 had 10 years back!

But that's OEMs for you! They get in n out whenever they want to and for no apparent reason!

So they're just saying: "Deal with it F1" 8)
Indy IS going hybrid...

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ispano6 wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:59 pm
AMG.Tzan wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:39 am
Honda sticking to Indycar's 2023 engine just shows that the "carbon neutral by 2050" claims are plain excuses for leaving F1!

How much of a hypocrisy's this? Even the architecture of Indycar's engine is way outdated...simple engine with KERS...something F1 had 10 years back!

But that's OEMs for you! They get in n out whenever they want to and for no apparent reason!

So they're just saying: "Deal with it F1" 8)
Indy IS going hybrid...
Yes but as said above, only a simple KERS system

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the EDGE wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:08 pm
ispano6 wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:59 pm
AMG.Tzan wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:39 am
Honda sticking to Indycar's 2023 engine just shows that the "carbon neutral by 2050" claims are plain excuses for leaving F1!

How much of a hypocrisy's this? Even the architecture of Indycar's engine is way outdated...simple engine with KERS...something F1 had 10 years back!

But that's OEMs for you! They get in n out whenever they want to and for no apparent reason!

So they're just saying: "Deal with it F1" 8)
Indy IS going hybrid...
Yes but as said above, only a simple KERS system
So they are late to the game but better late than never. That decision is based on the fact Chevrolet doesn't have a proper hybrid power unit program.
Honda created a new center called Innovative Research Excellence, Power Unit & Energy. Honda will allocate its energy management and fuel technologies as well as knowledge amassed through F1 activities to this area of power unit and energy technologies and take initiatives while focusing on the future realization of carbon neutrality.
Tanabe came from HPD to F1. While he may not be heading back, there are engineers who will be moving there and likely bringing know how with them. So long as Honda NA welcomes and is welcomed by Honda's new Power Unit and EM group there is a high likelihood the technology won't die after 2022.