[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[Darth-Piekus]

They'd argue that it was a pretty strong penalty for something they did that there WAS no rule against.

Perhaps they would but they are now stained in the eyes of the fans and the spirit of competition.

I'm not sure you are the arbiter of what the fans think and feel. Actually I think you take your opinion and blow it up as if it is the world you represent, and not just someone repeating himself incessantly after each and every race.

You have every right to think differently but what I mention is not an opinion but a fact that is shared by many. The press especially are flooded with negativity starting from the Pink Mercedes to copycats. I am sure you haven't forgotten what was happening all these months. You might not like it but that doesn't make it less true. But that doesn't really matter anymore. Mclaren should continue their evolution and I'm sure we will step on that 1st place throne sooner or later. Hopefully sooner.

[diffuser]

Careful. I joked about this after Spa and got a downgrade for being ‘un- necessarily contempt’.

Nonetheless the thought crossed my mind again today that the mysterious end of contract failures have crept in just as the fight for 3rd has intensified

I can see why you got down voted. The whole idea is idiotic. Why don't you just say Sainz & Renault are scheming to have Ferrari pass McLaren? That is why Sainz is purposely crashing his car in the last 2 races and now this race since he didn't have a collision, Renault retired Norris. It's absolutely moronic.

Why not just added Norris to and say well Ferrari have paid Norris off. He didn't really have a PU failure, he just made it up?

BTW in the english language failures is plural, meaning more than 1. when was the last PU failure?

So to have a joke in the light of despair is against the rules?

My reference to the failures was for today and Spa.
And also the failures Torro Rosso has to endure towards the end of the ‘17 season which left Franz Tost a tad bit frustrated.

I don’t believe it’s the case mind you, you can’t just switch off a car mid race but the controversy the topic causes is quite fun

The SPA event was a exhaust problems. Sainz is still using that same PU(ICE,TC,MGU-H,MGU-K). Not sure why it cracked.

You take the 2017 STR incident as a fact but it was just Hearsay. It was denied by Renault. All the infighting between RBR and Renault at that point, it's hard to beleive either one of them.

[CjC]

We are loosing the battle for 3rd, we were so close to podium today with NOR and yet so far after his problems and eventual retirement. We need to keep improving the car and we must have both cars to finish if we want to stand a change to be 3rd at the end. Renault form in the past few races is superb.

Agreed. The only way I believe we can finish 3rd is to have both cars scoring in the mid to low points every race.
We had a great chance to capitalise today with Ocon retiring but it ain’t over till it’s over and Lando suffered a failure too.

Who would have though we’d be so disappointed with a 5th
We would have been ecstatic with that kind of result only last season

[SmallSoldier]

It has been a very tough stretch of races for the team, but there were a few positives from today’s race regardless.

The team performed very good pit stops and hopefully that’s a trend that will continue for the rest of the season.

Yes, our pace wasn’t the one we needed to beat both Racing Point and Renault, nevertheless Lando showed great pace before his engine issues and that bodes well... The team took a big risk using a new “untested” package on Carlos and he struggled, but even with the issues his pace wasn’t that far off our direct rivals.

It is early to determine if the new package works or not, not only the team didn’t had a chance to analyze and understand the new components due to the lack of practice sessions, but the package is still “incomplete”, with every aero bit designed to work as a whole and not independent of each other it isn’t that surprising that the performance improvement expected from it isn’t delivering yet... With a little time to understand how to setup the car to maximize the new package and hopefully a few more parts that might be still missing, the car could make an interesting jump in performance.

Even though no one is happy with losing P3 in the WCC after this race, the reality also is that the team is still in the fight and the chances of regaining P3 are still open... Carlos P5 is better than the starting positions for the race (P8 and P10) in terms of total points... Also, the fact that Renault didn’t score with Ocon and that Hulk only made it to P9 are also positives in the overall picture where the damage could have been bigger.

Regardless of which team one is a fan of, the fight in the midfield is the one to watch this season:




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[CjC]

I can see why you got down voted. The whole idea is idiotic. Why don't you just say Sainz & Renault are scheming to have Ferrari pass McLaren? That is why Sainz is purposely crashing his car in the last 2 races and now this race since he didn't have a collision, Renault retired Norris. It's absolutely moronic.

Why not just added Norris to and say well Ferrari have paid Norris off. He didn't really have a PU failure, he just made it up?

BTW in the english language failures is plural, meaning more than 1. when was the last PU failure?

So to have a joke in the light of despair is against the rules?

My reference to the failures was for today and Spa.
And also the failures Torro Rosso has to endure towards the end of the ‘17 season which left Franz Tost a tad bit frustrated.

I don’t believe it’s the case mind you, you can’t just switch off a car mid race but the controversy the topic causes is quite fun

The SPA event was a exhaust problems. Sainz is still using that same PU(ICE,TC,MGU-H,MGU-K). Not sure why it cracked.

You take the 2017 STR incident as a fact but it was just Hearsay. It was denied by Renault. All the infighting between RBR and Renault at that point, it's hard to beleive either one of them.

Hearsay or fact it’s all why we enjoy such an entertaining sport.

Heard something Crofty said during commentary about Andreas Seidl saying a PU is caput. Who’s PU was he taking about? Was it the one Sainz smashed up in the second of his two Sochi crashes? I thought Lando had a new PU this race.... that’s where my confusion lies

[diffuser]

If we're talking about today's race and Norris, I hope they didn't ruin that PU. Think they were sure it was a sensor problem that eventually turned the PU off.

[Macklaren]

Except that something set the bodywork on fire so hope it didn't turn more serious. Overall, I still think we are in a good place with all the potential to unlock from the new package.

[CjC]

I wonder if they were talking about the PU they had to change this morning after Lando used it in quali.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... fcDZS.html

As for the one in the race I’m not sure, there was a burnt spot on the side pod once he retired and it didn’t sound to good on the onboard when what ever failed- failed.

[Mansell89]

A good hefty reality check for McLaren recently and this will do us some good in the long term I feel. It is demanding that we get a deeper understanding of our approach and wider package heading into next year and then the new regs.

Ferrari and Renaults evolution has been impressive and just shows how competitive things are.

[genarro]

what we have to take into consideration is that McLaren this weekend couldnt optimise the new package setup wise. I dont know why this isnt said more often. If you dont have FP1 and FP2 to optimise your new aero package you are on the back foot. The team will improve i'm sure of it once they have enough data to understand the new package.

[diffuser]

Except that something set the bodywork on fire so hope it didn't turn more serious. Overall, I still think we are in a good place with all the potential to unlock from the new package.

Hmmmm.

[Big Tea]

I wonder if they were talking about the PU they had to change this morning after Lando used it in quali.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... fcDZS.html

As for the one in the race I’m not sure, there was a burnt spot on the side pod once he retired and it didn’t sound to good on the onboard when what ever failed- failed.

As there was enough heat to scorch through the bod panel, I see it as a high likelihood that it was wireing burned through, especially considering the way the car stopped. It just cut out. no bangs or pops or nasty noises, not eve a lock up as he freewheeled a considerable distance.

" we have an over temp warning" - "Ignore it its out but not by much" is fine until stuff starts melting.

[diffuser]

SEIDL from McLaren racing site.
We need to wait for our colleagues from Renault to investigate, but it appears to be an issue similar to what Carlos experienced in Spa.

So a cracked exhaust.

[Emag]

Thankfully the next race is also after two weeks. It gives them some time to analyze the data from Carlos's car and possibly come up with a fix / solution ready for Portimao. It sucks to be in this situation, but I am pretty sure they would be doing way better if they weren't compromised by the token system and the engine switch next year. Nevertheless, I think it is fine to sacrifice some results this season if it means that the car with the new engine next year isn't heavily compromised. Let's hope they can strike back at Renault in the upcoming races. McLaren has also suffered by bad luck with a couple of retirements lately. Hopefully that ended today.

[tangodjango]

SEIDL from McLaren racing site.
We need to wait for our colleagues from Renault to investigate, but it appears to be an issue similar to what Carlos experienced in Spa.

So a cracked exhaust.

That's weird. Didn't he have ERS issues when he started reporting the engine problems? Is the exhaust a McLaren part? I wonder if the weather conditions had any role in all the engine problems we saw today. (Apart from Albon which was something external)