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A great visualisation of what the air flow is doing behind the car. The device is shaped to be in line with the air so we can see by the shaping and the direction of the probes where the air is going. A flow vis made of metal. =D> :lol:
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What do you think: slim / thin noses are the latest trend in the top teams. May Ferrari switch to this concept in 2021as well?
If so, I wonder if Ferrari will struggle the same way as Red Bull did this year. It took them quite a while to get in top of the cape and the slim nose.

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lio007 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:03 pm
What do you think: slim / thin noses are the latest trend in the top teams. May Ferrari switch to this concept in 2021as well?
If so, I wonder if Ferrari will struggle the same way as Red Bull did this year. It took them quite a while to get in top of the cape and the slim nose.
No, they will focus on the rear and spend their tokens there. They said that's where most performance gains can be made. Maybe a rear suspension geometry like Merc ran this year. However, you might need more than two tokens for that.
A cape is still doable without a slim nose, see the Williams for example.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:16 pm
lio007 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:03 pm
What do you think: slim / thin noses are the latest trend in the top teams. May Ferrari switch to this concept in 2021as well?
If so, I wonder if Ferrari will struggle the same way as Red Bull did this year. It took them quite a while to get in top of the cape and the slim nose.
No, they will focus on the rear and spend their tokens there. They said that's where most performance gains can be made. Maybe a rear suspension geometry like Merc ran this year. However, you might need more than two tokens for that.
A cape is still doable without a slim nose, see the Williams for example.
OK. I wasn't sure, if a new nose would need token or not. AFAIK aerodynamic surfaces are token-free. And the nose is an aero surface, at least kind of :-)

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lio007 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:22 pm
MtthsMlw wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:16 pm
lio007 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:03 pm
What do you think: slim / thin noses are the latest trend in the top teams. May Ferrari switch to this concept in 2021as well?
If so, I wonder if Ferrari will struggle the same way as Red Bull did this year. It took them quite a while to get in top of the cape and the slim nose.
No, they will focus on the rear and spend their tokens there. They said that's where most performance gains can be made. Maybe a rear suspension geometry like Merc ran this year. However, you might need more than two tokens for that.
A cape is still doable without a slim nose, see the Williams for example.
OK. I wasn't sure, if a new nose would need token or not. AFAIK aerodynamic surfaces are token-free. And the nose is an aero surface, at least kind of :-)
It's also a structural one, you can modify things like the cape underneath it freely, but if your nose is gonna require a new crash test you need to use tokens.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:16 pm
lio007 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:03 pm
What do you think: slim / thin noses are the latest trend in the top teams. May Ferrari switch to this concept in 2021as well?
If so, I wonder if Ferrari will struggle the same way as Red Bull did this year. It took them quite a while to get in top of the cape and the slim nose.
No, they will focus on the rear and spend their tokens there. They said that's where most performance gains can be made. Maybe a rear suspension geometry like Merc ran this year. However, you might need more than two tokens for that.
A cape is still doable without a slim nose, see the Williams for example.
It is not easy to say which type of nose is better solution, AT has wide nose with cape and some good results, RB implement this slim nose but nobody knows do they get gains that they expected, also Renault started with slim one and they are more competitive this season, McLaren switch in the middle of the season and I am not sure do they get some gains.
However I think that the most important part is quality of implementation in both cases.
I think that Ferrari does not need additional tokens for changing mounting positions of rear wishbones, can somebody confirm?

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FDD wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:32 pm
MtthsMlw wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:16 pm
lio007 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:03 pm
What do you think: slim / thin noses are the latest trend in the top teams. May Ferrari switch to this concept in 2021as well?
If so, I wonder if Ferrari will struggle the same way as Red Bull did this year. It took them quite a while to get in top of the cape and the slim nose.
No, they will focus on the rear and spend their tokens there. They said that's where most performance gains can be made. Maybe a rear suspension geometry like Merc ran this year. However, you might need more than two tokens for that.
A cape is still doable without a slim nose, see the Williams for example.
It is not easy to say which type of nose is better solution, AT has wide nose with cape and some good results, RB implement this slim nose but nobody knows do they get gains that they expected, also Renault started with slim one and they are more competitive this season, McLaren switch in the middle of the season and I am not sure do they get some gains.
However I think that the most important part is quality of implementation in both cases.
I think that Ferrari does not need additional tokens for changing mounting positions of rear wishbones, can somebody confirm?
Did they not try out a couple of different nose designs throughout the year?
If the modification is based on one of these, it is not 'new' so should not cost tokens.
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Big Tea wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:23 pm




Did they not try out a couple of different nose designs throughout the year?
If the modification is based on one of these, it is not 'new' so should not cost tokens.
No! Anyway any change needs crashtest. ANd even if they use all tokens for rear. Doesnt matter. Any huge change before 2021 is waste of money and human resorces.
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FDD wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:32 pm
MtthsMlw wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:16 pm
lio007 wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:03 pm
What do you think: slim / thin noses are the latest trend in the top teams. May Ferrari switch to this concept in 2021as well?
If so, I wonder if Ferrari will struggle the same way as Red Bull did this year. It took them quite a while to get in top of the cape and the slim nose.
No, they will focus on the rear and spend their tokens there. They said that's where most performance gains can be made. Maybe a rear suspension geometry like Merc ran this year. However, you might need more than two tokens for that.
A cape is still doable without a slim nose, see the Williams for example.
It is not easy to say which type of nose is better solution, AT has wide nose with cape and some good results, RB implement this slim nose but nobody knows do they get gains that they expected, also Renault started with slim one and they are more competitive this season, McLaren switch in the middle of the season and I am not sure do they get some gains.
However I think that the most important part is quality of implementation in both cases.
I think that Ferrari does not need additional tokens for changing mounting positions of rear wishbones, can somebody confirm?
Outboard rear suspension is not frozen yet - will be in Melbourne. However the gearbox and rear impact structure is, as well as the inboard suspension elements.

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Big Tea wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:23 pm
FDD wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:32 pm
MtthsMlw wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:16 pm


No, they will focus on the rear and spend their tokens there. They said that's where most performance gains can be made. Maybe a rear suspension geometry like Merc ran this year. However, you might need more than two tokens for that.
A cape is still doable without a slim nose, see the Williams for example.
It is not easy to say which type of nose is better solution, AT has wide nose with cape and some good results, RB implement this slim nose but nobody knows do they get gains that they expected, also Renault started with slim one and they are more competitive this season, McLaren switch in the middle of the season and I am not sure do they get some gains.
However I think that the most important part is quality of implementation in both cases.
I think that Ferrari does not need additional tokens for changing mounting positions of rear wishbones, can somebody confirm?
Did they not try out a couple of different nose designs throughout the year?
If the modification is based on one of these, it is not 'new' so should not cost tokens.
I think that aleks_ader give the proper answer