2021 Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Wouter]

Reliable source??

Following a meeting on Thursday of the F1 Commission, made up of teams, the FIA and the F1 organisation,
it is understood that unanimous approval was given to an engine freeze to come into play from the start of next year.

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[Jambier]

Am I the only one thinking that Red Bull fell into its own trap ?

I assume competition see here an opportunity to have a competitor "stuck" with an non evolving engine - RB to run Honda 2021 for several years

While we know the others will have brand new engine for 2022.
Then, they will have to make it reliable of course, so they will be allowed to introduce reliability upgrades

[Sieper]

From 2022. Does that not mean the engine update you start this year with is the last one. Frozen. No more updates?

[Wouter]

Am I the only one thinking that Red Bull fell into its own trap ?

I assume competition see here an opportunity to have a competitor "stuck" with an non evolving engine - RB to run Honda 2021 for several years

While we know the others will have brand new engine for 2022.

"Red Bull fell into its own trap."

Do you really think so?
This is very good news for SAT and RBR! Honda would never have proposed an engine freeze if they weren't 100% convinced that their 2022 engine can beat Mercedes. Honda is always very careful, so assume that this is okay.

"RB to run Honda 2021 for several years. While we know the others will have brand new engine for 2022."

No, RB will get the 2022 engine for several years, which has been developed throughout this year.

[Wouter]

From 2022. Does that not mean the engine update you start this year with is the last one. Frozen. No more updates?

No, the freeze is from the start of the season. Alpine will have a brandnew engine next year and not the 2021 engine.

[Sieper]

Ok, so one more upgrade step left. Honda will exit and the end of 2021, will they still deliver an upgrade for start 2022 then?

[Sieper]

Am I the only one thinking that Red Bull fell into its own trap ?

I assume competition see here an opportunity to have a competitor "stuck" with an non evolving engine - RB to run Honda 2021 for several years

While we know the others will have brand new engine for 2022.
Then, they will have to make it reliable of course, so they will be allowed to introduce reliability upgrades

Plus, it is not a trap, Honda left. They just don’t want to be a forced Renault customer anymore.

[_cerber1]

Do you really think so?
This is very good news for SAT and RBR! Honda would never have proposed an engine freeze if they weren't 100% convinced that their 2022 engine can beat Mercedes. Honda is always very careful, so assume that this is okay.

Last year, they also believed that their engine was not inferior to Mercedes, after the first race, they changed their mind.

[Jambier]

Ok, so one more upgrade step left. Honda will exit and the end of 2021, will they still deliver an upgrade for start 2022 then?

No, they have worked quickly to deliver the "2022 engine" for 2021.
Then, I understand that engine can't evolve in 2021 season, so Honda will basicaly stop working quite soon while others, at least Alpine and Ferrari will work 100% on their 2022 engine

[Jambier]

Am I the only one thinking that Red Bull fell into its own trap ?

I assume competition see here an opportunity to have a competitor "stuck" with an non evolving engine - RB to run Honda 2021 for several years

While we know the others will have brand new engine for 2022.

"Red Bull fell into its own trap."

Do you really think so?
This is very good news for SAT and RBR! Honda would never have proposed an engine freeze if they weren't 100% convinced that their 2022 engine can beat Mercedes. Honda is always very careful, so assume that this is okay.

"RB to run Honda 2021 for several years. While we know the others will have brand new engine for 2022."

No, RB will get the 2022 engine for several years, which has been developed throughout this year.

How could they know what will be the 2021 Mercedes engine ? How could they now what will be the 2022 Mercedes engine ?

And of course, on top of having a new engine for 2022 - while RB will stick with this year engine - the others will continue to work on power delivery, ERS and "reliability upgrade" even I assume that they will be more controled by the FIA, with all that goes with the ICE will be watched closely

[the EDGE]

Am I the only one thinking that Red Bull fell into its own trap ?

I assume competition see here an opportunity to have a competitor "stuck" with an non evolving engine - RB to run Honda 2021 for several years

While we know the others will have brand new engine for 2022.
Then, they will have to make it reliable of course, so they will be allowed to introduce reliability upgrades

Plus, it is not a trap, Honda left. They just don’t want to be a forced Renault customer anymore.

The race are reporting a new higher bio-fuel will still be introduced for the ‘22 season and that Honda will continue to develop their engine to use the new fuel until the end of this year, so they will not fall a year behind others

What’s surprised me is that Ferrari have agreed to this freeze with no BOP. I hope that means the new ‘21 engine is a big step forward because they could be the ones left behind if other find gains in line with them this year & next

[Sieper]

Ok, so one more upgrade step left. Honda will exit and the end of 2021, will they still deliver an upgrade for start 2022 then?

No, they have worked quickly to deliver the "2022 engine" for 2021.
Then, I understand that engine can't evolve in 2021 season, so Honda will basicaly stop working quite soon while others, at least Alpine and Ferrari will work 100% on their 2022 engine

do you know this to be true, do you think it might be true, or do you want that to be true?

[Jambier]

Ok, so one more upgrade step left. Honda will exit and the end of 2021, will they still deliver an upgrade for start 2022 then?

No, they have worked quickly to deliver the "2022 engine" for 2021.
Then, I understand that engine can't evolve in 2021 season, so Honda will basicaly stop working quite soon while others, at least Alpine and Ferrari will work 100% on their 2022 engine

do you know this to be true, do you think it might be true, or do you want that to be true?

- I know 2021 on season upgrades are banned
- I know 2022 is new engine for Alpine / Ferrari ( Merc ??)
- I don't know how good will be the Honda for this year
- I want to have RB and Max giving some sweat and a great fight to Mercedes... tired of this easy domination

[Slo Poke]

Do you really think so?
This is very good news for SAT and RBR! Honda would never have proposed an engine freeze if they weren't 100% convinced that their 2022 engine can beat Mercedes. Honda is always very careful, so assume that this is okay.

Last year, they also believed that their engine was not inferior to Mercedes, after the first race, they changed their mind.

Worry not, Cerber 1. No-one at RedBull Honda will change their mind this year. If anything’s changed it’s likely to be the music they choose to play. Hopefully to anything by Pink Floyd.

[Jaisonas]

Do you really think so?
This is very good news for SAT and RBR! Honda would never have proposed an engine freeze if they weren't 100% convinced that their 2022 engine can beat Mercedes. Honda is always very careful, so assume that this is okay.

Last year, they also believed that their engine was not inferior to Mercedes, after the first race, they changed their mind.

They said that, until they got cucked by no-upgrades due to covid. You seem to conveniently forget that they almost reached mercedes by the end of the year just by tuning the hell out of the current engine.