General Honda F1 Topic

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ispano6 wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:58 pm
It took a while to get the official team shirt and I've resisted the temptation of unsealing the package until the start of the race. I hope it fits, otherwise I'll probably end up looking like Yamamoto with his shirt too tight.
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/171d/ ... ?size_id=5
Where did you get the Polo shirt from? Showing both Redbull and Alpha on it?

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https://honda.racing/f1/post/f1-2021-begins

BahrainGP Setup - F1 2021 Is Here!
Toyoharu Tanabe Honda Racing F1

“From Honda’s side, in order to improve our performance, we have modified many of our PU components so that we effectively have a new PU for this season. Compared to last year, the new one has more power, a lower centre of gravity and is very compact. Therefore, apart from the power increase, the PU has also improved the overall packaging and therefore performance of both our teams’ cars.
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"This will be Honda’s last year in Formula 1 and we feel we are very well prepared on all fronts, from the PU to the chassis to our two strong driver line-ups. We will take every race as it comes as we strive for our ultimate goal of winning the Formula 1 World Championship."

Max: ----
Pierre: ----
Sergio: ----
Yuki ----

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flexcon wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:06 am
ispano6 wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:58 pm
It took a while to get the official team shirt and I've resisted the temptation of unsealing the package until the start of the race. I hope it fits, otherwise I'll probably end up looking like Yamamoto with his shirt too tight.
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/171d/ ... ?size_id=5
Where did you get the Polo shirt from? Showing both Redbull and Alpha on it?
I had my brother buy it for me at https://goods.honda.co.jp/shop/ but they sold out after a short while. I was able to get 2 medium size shirts and then had to wait until my uncle could find a reasonably priced international shipping carrier that wouldn't charge $200 for shipping. The price of the shirts + shipping ended up being ~$300 but glad I was able to actually get it!

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\:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/




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Big kudos to Honda !!!
Finally there!

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Jambier wrote:
Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:07 pm
Big kudos to Honda !!!
Finally there!
=D> =D>

Very strong power unit. Seemingly on par with Mercedes, and maybe even better, and therefore the best in the field. :D Bravo Honda! =D>

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Faster in the corners and faster on the straights -- that is quite something. :D

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Mercedes has ERS deficit to Honda that reverses recent trend
Mercedes has an energy recovery and deployment deficit to Honda in Bahrain, which played a part in Red Bull’s advantage in qualifying for the 2021 Formula 1 season opener.

Max Verstappen scored the first pole position of the new season, outpacing Mercedes’ world champion Lewis Hamilton by four tenths of a second.

Sakhir is a power-sensitive and rear-limited circuit which appears to have played perfectly to the strengths of the RB16B and Honda’s all-new engine.

The 2021 Red Bull has looked well-balanced from the start of pre-season testing while Mercedes’ W12 has had a rear instability issue, and Honda has been greatly encouraged by the performance of an engine it has reworked extensively for its final season in F1.

Honda’s biggest changes have been focused on the combustion engine, but it also had an energy recovery system deficit to Mercedes to consider as well.

At the first round of the 2021 season though, Mercedes believes “a little bit” of the loss to Red Bull is “on the engine side in terms of derate”, according to team boss Toto Wolff.

That means the Mercedes engine is ‘clipping’ earlier than the Honda, a phenomenon whereby the energy recovery system runs short of energy to deploy.

In previous years it has been the other way round, but that trend appears to have been reversed – at least at the moment, as Wolff admitted after qualifying that “we are not yet in a happy place with our energy recovery”.

Honda has not prioritised a significant step with its ERS compared to last year but it has worked hard to avoid depleting its ERS further by chasing gains with the V6.

Among Honda’s changes to its more compact, lower engine is a reshaped combustion chamber and revised valve angles to boost the combustion process.

While the MGU-H itself is unchanged the turbine and compressor have been revised to boost exhaust gas energy that would otherwise have been reduced by lower inlet temperatures from a more efficient combustion.

The upshot, according to Honda, is that the mechanical efficiency of the combustion engine and the overall effectiveness of the power unit have both been improved.

“Am I surprised? No, I’m actually not at all surprised,” said Wolff.

“I think Honda is a very proud company and I was convinced that they would give it all the power to have a great power unit in the final year as a works team.

“They left no stone unturned, no resource unutilised, to finish the job properly. So it’s good motivation for us. And I’m happy for them.”

Mercedes has its own innovations on its 2021 power unit including revisions to the combustion engine that include a big investment to redesign the plenum.

But that does not necessarily mean Mercedes has fundamentally hurt its ERS output and handed Honda an advantage, as Wolff suggested it could be improved.

In fact, Dave Robson, head of vehicle performance at Mercedes customer team Williams, said the ERS deployment was at least “significantly better” than at testing – confirming that Mercedes High Performance Powertrains has already been able to make some progress.

Wolff said: “Honda has done a great job, delivered a power unit that is extremely competitive look at where AlphaTauri is. And we just have to take it as sportsmen.

“You just have to say they’ve done a really good job, full stop.

“There’s just no other solution than to recover. I believe that on the derate that you see it’s just something we need to get on top of.

“It’s not easy, but we’ll get there.”

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I'm still disappointed Honda are leaving, such a crap time at the start and now to finally reap the rewards but yet leave. Siliamr to BAR all over again.

At board level, if the won the WDC or WCC this year, I think they would be mad to take the brand out again

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As discussed Honda really optimize that turbocharger on top of the imporved combustion and it was a knock on effect to the ERS. Well done.


The advantage in derate i think is in part to the aero efficiency of the chassis package.
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Redbull push hard for engine mode to be burned i think those mode + drs would have sealed the deal for them

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NHK to show another Honda F1 documentary tomorrow.

The challenge of Honda F1 and Yuki Tsunoda

"We will look at the technological development for the final season and the challenge of F1 driver Yuki Tsunoda."

99 min runtime

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Yuki's reflection on his first race, posted on Honda Racing F1 Youtube channel.

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Snorked wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:26 pm
NHK to show another Honda F1 documentary tomorrow.

The challenge of Honda F1 and Yuki Tsunoda

"We will look at the technological development for the final season and the challenge of F1 driver Yuki Tsunoda."

99 min runtime
Any reviews on this, did some one watch it??

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Honda Racing F1

Making the step up to F1 for Yuki Tsunoda was far from an overnight event. We sat down with his Performance Coach,
Noel Carroll, who filled us in on the behind the scenes work that began between the two of them for the new season,
back in December of 2020.