2021 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 20 - 23

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MKlaus wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:29
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22 May 2021, 16:27
pantherxxx wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:13
Verstappen beats his teammate by 1 sec, Hamilton loses to his teammate by 0.5 sec. Verstappen is clearly the faster driver by now, I think it's not even a question.
so youre making this claim from 1 session.... nice logic you got there...i guess you seem to have forgotten the last 6 years...
it simply shows what happens when you don't have a dominant car.
Track just shows the problems with the car , how many tracks like this are on the calendar.
It is better with the cost cap to go into damage control instead of wrecking the car like Lecrec did.

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fouad1979 wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:26
nico5 wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:23
90% gearbox is damaged. The driveshaft was torn apart and the lateral impact was pretty hard. Also, if you are to crash on purpose, you just crash the front end. Nobody's that stupid to risk getting a penalty when you're P1 and in the worst case you'd end up P2.
No way the gearbox was going to be damaged if u look closely u have only the front susp and the front wing thats it
What? Have you taken a look at the lifted car? Rear right was tilted backwards and the driveshaft was broken

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djones wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:30
RZS10 wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:28
What i would do if i wanted to crash on purpose is keeping the car straight after the initial impact and put it into the wall nose first - he tried to go for the apex in the left hander, damaging his rear quarter badly in the process.
I think he got a bit of an unlucky bounce which brought the back around. He was actually going pretty straight until then.

When Schumacher did it, it was so bad. Rosberg too. This is at least a good effort at a crash.
He steered as he normally would to turn the car in, but it clearly wouldn't because the tyre is no longer interacting with hi inputs at that point, literally, he hit the wall at the apex he actually had grazed it earlier as well, he was at the limit but just went over it. No driver is invincible to judgement errors.

https://i.imgur.com/LCzY6ax.mp4
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nico5 wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:40
fouad1979 wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:26
nico5 wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:23
90% gearbox is damaged. The driveshaft was torn apart and the lateral impact was pretty hard. Also, if you are to crash on purpose, you just crash the front end. Nobody's that stupid to risk getting a penalty when you're P1 and in the worst case you'd end up P2.
No way the gearbox was going to be damaged if u look closely u have only the front susp and the front wing thats it
What? Have you taken a look at the lifted car? Rear right was tilted backwards and the driveshaft was broken
The individuals who are claiming it was intentional are swimming through weeds and doing mental gymnastics inorder to confirm what they've already thought about the situation. Sadly, there are also others in media who will stoke those flames as well for whatever reason.
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yelistener wrote:
22 May 2021, 15:21
Did top speed after the tunnel really drop to v8 level or what?
2017-on cars have a bucketload of drag.

Great commentary from Rosberg! Rosberg's YouTube track guide was also great. =D>

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politburo wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:44
nico5 wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:40
fouad1979 wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:26


No way the gearbox was going to be damaged if u look closely u have only the front susp and the front wing thats it
What? Have you taken a look at the lifted car? Rear right was tilted backwards and the driveshaft was broken
The individuals who are claiming it was intentional are swimming through weeds and doing mental gymnastics inorder to confirm what they've already though about the situation. Sadly, there are also others in media who will stoke those flames as well for whatever reason.
This. Watching his on board its pretty clear it was not on purpose. He was pushing hard.

Also, his gap to Max wasnt small on the banker lap. Max was faster in sector 1 on both laps with leclerc pushing harder in sectors 2 and 3. Crashing intentionally also goes against the big picture (cost cap and 2022).

Not a good look when you crash out of p1, but he probably had the pole secured on his first flier.
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It’d probably be fairest if anyone causing a reg flag had their time for that segment deleted.

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I really can’t think Leclerc did that on purpose. Surely he’d have done it in a place where there was far less risk of big damage to the car.

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We'll never know. It was going to be close. Max was out sync in "warming up laps". On his first run he did only one warming up lap on his seconde run he did two warming up laps. Leclerc, bottas and sainz did it the other way arround. Max said in his post qually interview that with two warm up laps hé would get more grip out of the tyres

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El Scorchio wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:53
I really can’t think Leclerc did that on purpose. Surely he’d have done it in a place where there was far less risk of big damage to the car.
Yep, the chicane & Rascasse are good examples. Cary a little too much speed into the turn and overseer into the barrier. Worse case you damage the front wing.
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El Scorchio wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:53
I really can’t think Leclerc did that on purpose. Surely he’d have done it in a place where there was far less risk of big damage to the car.
Exactly! He only needed a yellow not a red.
There were so many other places to litter the track with his front wing.
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politburo wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:42
djones wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:30
RZS10 wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:28
What i would do if i wanted to crash on purpose is keeping the car straight after the initial impact and put it into the wall nose first - he tried to go for the apex in the left hander, damaging his rear quarter badly in the process.
I think he got a bit of an unlucky bounce which brought the back around. He was actually going pretty straight until then.

When Schumacher did it, it was so bad. Rosberg too. This is at least a good effort at a crash.
He steered as he normally would to turn the car in, but it clearly wouldn't because the tyre is no longer interacting with hi inputs at that point, literally, he hit the wall at the apex he actually had grazed it earlier as well, he was at the limit but just went over it. No driver is invincible to judgement errors.

https://i.imgur.com/LCzY6ax.mp4
That onboard clearly shows that he was on the limit. No extra or intentional steering input is to be seen.

But don't waste your time with that guy who seems to be on a rage trip. Probably because of his favourite driver Lewis not being as good as expected this time around. Happens, but he obviously can't handle it, sad.
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dans79 wrote:
22 May 2021, 17:00
El Scorchio wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:53
I really can’t think Leclerc did that on purpose. Surely he’d have done it in a place where there was far less risk of big damage to the car.
Yep, the chicane & Rascasse are good examples. Cary a little too much speed into the turn and overseer into the barrier. Worse case you damage the front wing.
Exactly! I may have raised an eyebrow if he’d done something like that but I’m completely sure it was just a genuine mistake trying to find even more time.

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Why all posts about British media have been deleted, huh? Is it that influence that I mentioned? :D

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El Scorchio wrote:
22 May 2021, 16:53
I really can’t think Leclerc did that on purpose. Surely he’d have done it in a place where there was far less risk of big damage to the car.
I really really hope not but the prize is huge so the motive is obvious. Remember his driving at Monza 2019.

That’s why I’m suggesting anyone who does this should have their times wiped.