2021 Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Sieper wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:17 pm
He seemed to misjudge the clutch on initial get away. Or can hydraulics play a role there already? Something that can still happen on a sixth race in a new ecosystem.
From AMuS:

The hydraulic pressure in the RB16B slowly dropped in the second half of the race. There was great concern that the car would not hold out.

For the second standing start of the day after the demolition, the eventual winner [Perez] was not even allowed to properly condition his tires.
"The team gave me the instruction not to drive any serpentine lines. That way I had cold tires and Lewis next to me warm."
Background: The power steering is also attached to the hydraulics.
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Wouter wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:13 pm
Sieper wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:17 pm
He seemed to misjudge the clutch on initial get away. Or can hydraulics play a role there already? Something that can still happen on a sixth race in a new ecosystem.
From AMuS:

The hydraulic pressure in the RB16B slowly dropped in the second half of the race. There was great concern that the car would not hold out.

For the second standing start of the day after the demolition, the eventual winner [Perez] was not even allowed to properly condition his tires.
"The team gave me the instruction not to drive any serpentine lines. That way I had cold tires and Lewis next to me warm."
Background: The power steering is also attached to the hydraulics.
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... se-rennen/
Yea, he would have been done if the power steering went out. Given the size of the wheel (the steering one), and minimum amount of rotation it has, even a bodybuilder would have a hard time steering the car without any hydraulic assistance.
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Sieper wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:17 pm
He seemed to misjudge the clutch on initial get away. Or can hydraulics play a role there already? Something that can still happen on a sixth race in a new ecosystem.
Yup I hope he and Red Bull examine that so it doesn't go wrong again, he got lucky on this occasion

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Yes, very much so, otherwise Lewis would have collected him. But that is Racing, sometimes you must be lucky, not unlucky 😀
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These 31 points advantage being nullified could prove critical (19 points in Imola due to HAM red flag situation, 11 points here in Baku). Especially now that all the street tracks have been run and normal operation will resume (W12 fastest car on normal tracks) 😞. Possible defining moment of 2021 title (Baku + Imola).
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It could've been way worse had Lewis not decided to be a gent on Sunday. AMuS said the next PU is being tuned for reliability, Honda being able to utilize full power should help Red Bull, that's the biggest source of hope at the moment

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wowgr8 wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:33 pm
Any F1TV user here? Can someone please check Perez radio on his way to the grid for his start from pole? Apparently he was told to avoid weaving and burnouts and that affected his start, can someone confirm? And aren't commands on the recon/formation lap illegal?
I watched Perez's onboards to see what I could decipher.
I didn't hear much about the problem but his engineer did say during Max's safety car and up to the restart not to:

Turn the wheel any more than necessary
(I think) minimize shifts
Not to perform clutch bite point find procedure

Basically minimize everything that had to do with hydraulics.

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During the restart, I noticed on the onboard camera footage from Perez compared to Gasly, Checo's RB16B had really rough idling as you can see the left mirror bouncing from the vibrations. Gasly's on the other hand was smooth and didn't sound like the bottom was going to fall out!

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hkbruin wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:49 am
During the restart, I noticed on the onboard camera footage from Perez compared to Gasly, Checo's RB16B had really rough idling as you can see the left mirror bouncing from the vibrations. Gasly's on the other hand was smooth and didn't sound like the bottom was going to fall out!
Did AT get the new engine this wkd but we didn't hear of it? They were in the top 10 when past races they were nowhere and the reliability issue was vibrations...

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Dee wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:58 am
hkbruin wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:49 am
During the restart, I noticed on the onboard camera footage from Perez compared to Gasly, Checo's RB16B had really rough idling as you can see the left mirror bouncing from the vibrations. Gasly's on the other hand was smooth and didn't sound like the bottom was going to fall out!
Did AT get the new engine this wkd but we didn't hear of it? They were in the top 10 when past races they were nowhere and the reliability issue was vibrations...
Tanabe stated that no new engines were introduced in Baku. He did use a rather strange term in an earlier interview where he said that the PU required a bit of "cool out" but he used that phrase in the context of the Japanese language which means to calm down or settle in.

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More Honda Power is always wellcome.

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wowgr8 wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:28 pm
It could've been way worse had Lewis not decided to be a gent on Sunday. AMuS said the next PU is being tuned for reliability, Honda being able to utilize full power should help Red Bull, that's the biggest source of hope at the moment
The coming years, until RB starts with their own design, these reliability updates will mean the Honda-package will fall further and further behind, as Honda will not be involved anymore. So it has to happen this year for Red Bull.
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_cerber1 wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:11 am
Wait what. Honda V6 last run on the test bench? So from now on Honda will start dropping back as other manufacturers are still improving their designs on the test bench. Very bad news for the future if true.

Hope he means this specific update has passed the last final check on the test bench.
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Pyrone89 wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:49 pm
_cerber1 wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:11 am
Wait what. Honda V6 last run on the test bench? So from now on Honda will start dropping back as other manufacturers are still improving their designs on the test bench. Very bad news for the future if true.

Hope he means this specific update has passed the last final check on the test bench.
I think you're reading into that a little bit too much. That would imply for this specification which is a reliability jump. Honda are still developing the 2022 Power Unit for RBR with the new biofuel requirement, so be assured those are on the test benches in Sakura.