2021 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 25 - 27

[El Scorchio]

I don't think you can say that Red Bull is a much more dominant overall. It will change from track to track. In THIS race it looked like Red Bull had a slightly faster car though. I wouldn't call it dominant. Maybe 0,2s with apparently better tyre deg which increases that margin as the race goes on. That perhaps makes this race look worse than previous races has shown. Previously Mercedes had better deg, and it might just be that next weekend depending on what they learn.

The largest margin of victory ever in the A1 ring was 13 seconds by Lewis last year
Lewis was 18.9 sec away from Max when he pit for fastest lap

Yeah 13 seconds, to his own teammate. Check the first post of this thread. Lewis was 33 seconds ahead of Max.

You can call RB dominant if/when Max wins the championship with 4-5 races to spare.

The gap was only 33s because Verstappen stopped to try fastest lap at the end. Otherwise he’d have been right up with Bottas.

[lh13]

The largest margin of victory ever in the A1 ring was 13 seconds by Lewis last year
Lewis was 18.9 sec away from Max when he pit for fastest lap

Yeah 13 seconds, to his own teammate. Check the first post of this thread. Lewis was 33 seconds ahead of Max.

You can call RB dominant if/when Max wins the championship with 4-5 races to spare.

So now the definition changes according to the agenda, ok got it

What definition?

[Sieper]

LEC finds a way yet again to escape any sort of punishment; he never seems to get punished for these mistakes.

That move on Gasly, really Charles, Why? I guess he felt he got squeezed but Gasly had nowhere to go after Alonso went for it down the inside. First lap Ofcourse but this could (should) have been a penalty. You kill someone else’s race. Somehow Leclerc keeps getting away with more than many others.

[ringo]

A car doesnt need to have spare races to go in the end to be dominant.
The car need only be the best car at most of the tracks and be practically untouchable. which is what we a re seeing currently with the RB16 even from winter testing.
Fast car, goes well at all tracks so far, easy to get into the right setup window, no drama. Front row qualifying everytime.
The cars are not even. If had a choice to pick one I am picking the redbull. Zero compromises with that car compared to the slouchy and diva like W12.

[siskue2005]

Yeah 13 seconds, to his own teammate. Check the first post of this thread. Lewis was 33 seconds ahead of Max.

You can call RB dominant if/when Max wins the championship with 4-5 races to spare.

So now the definition changes according to the agenda, ok got it

What definition?

Max was just behind Bottas in 2020 Race and the gap was 15 sec to Lewis before Max pitted and he was 33 sec in the end.
So same thing happened today and Lewis was 36 sec in the end... so the definition changes according to agenda

Also same with domination means to win the championship 4 to 5 race before end.- these all changes according to the agenda

[lh13]

People are loosing their --- after 7 races. Amusing.

[siskue2005]

A car doesnt need to have spare races to go in the end to be dominant.
The car need only be the best car at most of the tracks and be practically untouchable. which is what we a re seeing currently with the RB16 even from winter testing.
Fast car, goes well at all tracks so far, easy to get into the right setup window, no drama. Front row qualifying everytime.
The cars are not even. If had a choice to pick one I am picking the redbull. Zero compromises with that car compared to the slouchy and diva like W12.

True

[214270]

LEC finds a way yet again to escape any sort of punishment; he never seems to get punished for these mistakes.

That move on Gasly, really Charles, Why? I guess he felt he got squeezed but Gasly had nowhere to go after Alonso went for it down the inside. First lap Ofcourse but this could (should) have been a penalty. You kill someone else’s race. Somehow Leclerc keeps getting away with more than many others.

Exactly and he has form in this respect. He slashed across BOT in Hungary some time ago, he rear ends VET here last year and then this incident with GAS; he kills races for others on the first lap and not a peep from the stewards.

You look at his penalty points history and you’d think he’s a saint, he’s actually probably one of the worst out there.

[Mogster]

Not sure what to make of Perez’s performance. On paper he’s bringing RBR points for the WCC but finishing 47secs behind you race winning teammate is not a good look.

[matt_b]

Problem with RB domination is that Perez is no match for Max either on Saturday or Sunday so its basically RB 2013 post Hungary which is boring for the sport, if people actually want close racing! At least Mercedes had Rosberg to push Lewis and Bottas is at least strong in qualifying and has actually won races on merit rather than waiting for his teammates tires to explode to inherit a win.

[Just_a_fan]

I don't think you can say that Red Bull is a much more dominant overall. It will change from track to track. In THIS race it looked like Red Bull had a slightly faster car though. I wouldn't call it dominant. Maybe 0,2s with apparently better tyre deg which increases that margin as the race goes on. That perhaps makes this race look worse than previous races has shown. Previously Mercedes had better deg, and it might just be that next weekend depending on what they learn.

The largest margin of victory ever in the A1 ring was 13 seconds by Lewis last year
Lewis was 18.9 sec away from Max when he pit for fastest lap

Last year Lewis lapped everyone up to P8, this year Max lapped everyone up to P4. The Red Bull may not be as dominant over the Mercedes as the Merc was over the Red Bull last year, but it's definitely dominating everyone else. Indeed, it was only Hamilton that really had a chance of being close to Max. Bottas was half a lap behind for much of the race.

Max and Lewis are definitely showing why they're top dogs at the moment. I'd love to have seen Norris and Russell in the other two seats today. Now that would have been spicy, wouldn't it?

[lh13]

Problem with RB domination...

Why do you think that would be a problem?

[lh13]

I don't think you can say that Red Bull is a much more dominant overall. It will change from track to track. In THIS race it looked like Red Bull had a slightly faster car though. I wouldn't call it dominant. Maybe 0,2s with apparently better tyre deg which increases that margin as the race goes on. That perhaps makes this race look worse than previous races has shown. Previously Mercedes had better deg, and it might just be that next weekend depending on what they learn.

The largest margin of victory ever in the A1 ring was 13 seconds by Lewis last year
Lewis was 18.9 sec away from Max when he pit for fastest lap

Last year Lewis lapped everyone up to P8, this year Max lapped everyone up to P4. The Red Bull may not be as dominant over the Mercedes as the Merc was over the Red Bull last year, but it's definitely dominating everyone else. Indeed, it was only Hamilton that really had a chance of being close to Max. Bottas was half a lap behind for much of the race.

Max and Lewis are definitely showing why they're top dogs at the moment. I'd love to have seen Norris and Russell in the other two seats today. Now that would have been spicy, wouldn't it?

Also, if RB is dominant, its because Mercedes refuses to work on its car, while Mercedes were dominant no matter how hard teams tried. No complains, if RB is dominant, we'll continue to see in future races, but people need to keep it together, its only 7 races so far, and Mercedes has won 3 of them while RB won only 2 races during 2020.

P.S. clearly some fellows here are trying to change the definition of dominance.

[PlatinumZealot]

So... Bahrain, Imola, Portugal, Monaco.. Baku.. France.. Styria.. Austria.
RedBull way faster so far. Did I miss any others?

People need to realise what is really happening here. It's a clear pattern and things will settle down with Max and RB basicslly dominating all tracks from now. 2013 all over again.

[lh13]

So... Bahrain, Imola, Portugal, Monaco.. Baku.. France.. Styria.. Austria.
RedBull way faster so far. Did I miss any others?

People need to realise what is really happening here. It's a clear pattern and things will settle down with Max and RB basicslly dominating all tracks from now. 2013 all over again.

Looks like it, if Mercedes decide to not move a muscle for the rest of the season, and if midseason tire change does not effect any single team too much. We shall see.