Mercedes W12

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Both Mercedes drivers opted for the lighter option, including no T-Wing.
Bottas' rear wing has a gurney flap.

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zibby43 wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:21 pm
Here's a nice view of the new, split pontoon/side pod deflectors (along with the new floor furniture and barge board tweaks):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6b6pmWWEAI ... ame=medium

As another poster pointed out, a similar update was brought on the W10 around Germany, I think?
It will be interesting to see how much more time they can squeezer out of this upgrade, when they actually have time to try and optimize the set-up. With only 60 minutes to test out the upgrades, and get the car ready for qualifying, they can't possibly have gotten everything out of it.
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So, has the sky officially stopped falling? 😏

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dans79 wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:33 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:21 pm
Here's a nice view of the new, split pontoon/side pod deflectors (along with the new floor furniture and barge board tweaks):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6b6pmWWEAI ... ame=medium

As another poster pointed out, a similar update was brought on the W10 around Germany, I think?
It will be interesting to see how much more time they can squeezer out of this upgrade, when they actually have time to try and optimize the set-up. With only 60 minutes to test out the upgrades, and get the car ready for qualifying, they can't possibly have gotten everything out of it.
Completely agree. It also may unlock a better development path for whatever bits they have left, now that they know this new package is much more efficient (but still provides the stability they need).

It was very encouraging to see both drivers opt for the smallest RWs of the season, with no t-wings.

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Zynerji wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:29 pm
So, has the sky officially stopped falling? 😏
Can’t help think it’s a false dawn

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Starkblood80 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:20 am
Zynerji wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:29 pm
So, has the sky officially stopped falling? 😏
Can’t help think it’s a false dawn
Why is that?

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zibby43 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:46 am
Starkblood80 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:20 am
Zynerji wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:29 pm
So, has the sky officially stopped falling? 😏
Can’t help think it’s a false dawn
Why is that?
Because unless there’s more going on than we’ve seen, I can’t see how such a modest update has improved the car to the point it’s on par with the red bull

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Maybe if the car was performing ok a 'small' update won't do much.

But it's possible there was a fault with the aero and this is more of a fix than a small update.

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Starkblood80 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:16 am
zibby43 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:46 am
Starkblood80 wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:20 am

Can’t help think it’s a false dawn
Why is that?
Because unless there’s more going on than we’ve seen, I can’t see how such a modest update has improved the car to the point it’s on par with the red bull
Agree. It’s highly likely track conditions (much cooler track for qualifying) and traxk layout (front-limited) just went Merc’s way, rather than this upgrade being a magic bullet.

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djones wrote:
Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:11 am
Maybe if the car was performing ok a 'small' update won't do much.

But it's possible there was a fault with the aero and this is more of a fix than a small update.
This is exactly what it was!
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Craig Scarborough@ScarbsTech
Trimmed rear wing flap to reduce drag on the straights for Merc

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Lewis using a right-hand preset toggle for Turn 16
What's this?

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https://twitter.com/AnnotatedWA/status/ ... 9587670018

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pursue_one's wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:22 am
Lewis using a right-hand preset toggle for Turn 16
What's this?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6e86sTVgAMWSkr?format=jpg
https://twitter.com/AnnotatedWA/status/ ... 9587670018
They probably can preset multiple setting behing that one button. So in one press go to different engine braking, diff entry settings, brake balance etc, just setup for a single corner of section or corners.

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Is it me or we didn`t look at the big picture:

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It`s not the high rake we`ve seen at RB but due to their longer wheelbase they don`t need that angle to achieve the same volume under the diffuser

It`ll be nice to see a side-by-side comparison between the two teams high rakes and these updates must correlate with the changed rake, don`t they?
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atanatizante wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:53 pm
Is it me or we didn`t look at the big picture:

https://postimages.org/

It`s not the high rake we`ve seen at RB but due to their longer wheelbase they don`t need that angle to achieve the same volume under the diffuser

It`ll be nice to see a side-by-side comparison between the two teams high rakes and these updates must correlate with the changed rake, don`t they?
Right. Wasn't it Scarbs saying that Merc has lost more due to the regulation mandate on rear brake winglets. Not having that extended lower hurts Mercedes but doesn't change much on high rake due to the diffuser angled closer to them. I know it's been discussed already but thought it should be hammered home

Edit found it. Around 3:30.