2021 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, July 30 - Aug 01

[DownShift Ninja]

Good day all.

Theses last 2 races has confirmed a theory I have. Mercedes were ahead of all teams for developing this years car, but late rule changes regarding the floor caught them off guard a bit. So what I believe they did was develop the car as best as they could up to winter testing. They then entered races knowing they wouldn't be as competitive as Redbull. Plus with the cost cap Mercedes wants to ensure that they are well within that, just as how they have been well with the engines per season limitations. That Is why they pulled out of wet weather tire test and don't mind Redbull getting some of their staff to help develop their engine making arm. Not having to reshuffle and or layoff those staff throughout the Mercedes auto empire is a dream come true for Toto and other senior Mercedes management big heads.

With that in mind they held off car development in terms off adding bits to the car. Changed the team mindset to that of an Indycar team where you won't be able to throw hardware on the car as you like to solve aero efficiency/deficiency issues every few races. So Mercedes are forcing themselves to learn how to resolve or mitigate those issues as best as they can until the parts come. which may be as much as 6 or seven races down the line. Also any knowledge gained is being fed into the cfd and or wind tunnel program so that when the parts do come they are that much better. This allows them to move forward with 2022 car development while efficient using what little time they have left for 2021 car development. This approach has only caused them to have at most a 7 tenths and 44 points deficit to nearest competitor which is a remarkable achievement IMHO.

Also with the restriction on engine development this year, it allowed Mercedes to compare their planned 2021 engine development with Honda's advanced from 2022 to 2021 engine development and so far based on the races Mercedes must be very happy that their 2021 engine is very competitive with what Honda had planned for 2022. However being the aggressive forward planning unit that Mercedes has been since their return to F1 I believe they have somehow unlocked a way to unleash engine performance with upgrading parts during the season so their 2nd and 3rd engines will be more powerful and deliver power better and more efficiently than the 1st engine of the 2021 season.

[ringo]

Every Lewis fan is trying to find something that praises Lewis rather than accepting that he couldn't pass Alonso for like 10 laps. Alonso defended well BUT he cracked under pressure. Alonso defended well BUT tyre advantage wasn't that big etc. Hamilton had a faster car and couldn't overtake Fernando. That's it.
And for the Abu Dhabi 2010 example, DRS wasn't a thing back then and that Renault stormed out of slow corners with a traction and had respectable straight line speed. Alonso didn't lose the title because he couldn't overtake. He lost it because of Ferrari's horrible strategy decision. If DRS wasn't a thing, Lewis wouldn't have a chance to pass him.

You doing the same thing. You are finding excuses. lol.
I agree with you though. Alonso just could not pass because it was not easy. Likewise ehen he could not pass felipe in Canada was it and asked the team to move him out of the way?

It was not easy to pass Alonso because of dirty air and there just was not enough difference with his tyres and Hamilton's to make the overtake straight forward.

[Kingshark]

It was not easy to pass Alonso because of dirty air and there just was not enough difference with his tyres and Hamilton's to make the overtake straight forward.

He was 2.5 seconds per lap faster. He had better tyres and a much better car. He also had a stronger engine and more top speed. An overtake doesn’t get any easier than that.

[Andres125sx]

Alonso replied that for you just after the race for the spanish tv. He said Lewis should have pass him as fast as he did with Sainz, but he was making small mistakes in last corner and that was the reason he needed so many laps.

Obviously he was another reason himself, but at 40 Alonso is a lot more humble than he used to be. Better late than never

As Phil said, Alonso is just being a bit rich. He does not know what was happening in Lewis car or how Lewis was driving. There were no mistakes. Get over it.
Alonso was the only one who made a silly mistake in the race by crumbling under pressure.

So you know better than Alonso, and Alonso defence was poor.... Ok, Ringo, ok, you can get over it one of these days, maybe not tomorrow but some day you will

[Andres125sx]

It was not easy to pass Alonso because of dirty air and there just was not enough difference with his tyres and Hamilton's to make the overtake straight forward.

He was 2.5 seconds per lap faster. He had better tyres and a much better car. He also had a stronger engine and more top speed. An overtake doesn’t get any easier than that.

Much faster car
Softer compound tires
Around 13 laps less in the tires
Much stronger PU
DRS
Hamilton at the wheel


If someone can find any other scenario where an overtake should be done faster than this, please tell me

But some Lewis fans simply can´t accept it and will find excuses even in the moon phase

[Just_a_fan]

It was not easy to pass Alonso because of dirty air and there just was not enough difference with his tyres and Hamilton's to make the overtake straight forward.

He was 2.5 seconds per lap faster. He had better tyres and a much better car. He also had a stronger engine and more top speed. An overtake doesn’t get any easier than that.

Alonso got out of the last corner better than Hamilton. That's why he stayed ahead. If you get a better exit on to the straight then you're pretty safe. Hamilton was faster over the whole lap, yes, but none of that matters. Even with DRS, he struggled to get close enough to Alonso on the straight. That was all down to the last corner. That's why your list of things and "it doesn't get any easier" is misleading. Alonso did what he had to do - keep his ERS and tyres happy for the last corner because the rest of the lap is basically a pass-free zone where overtaking is basically impossible unless the other guy let's you through. Hamilton was all over Alonso but couldn't pass in the lap, and Alonso did the one thing he has to do and he did it perfectly.

Brilliant driving by Alonso.

[NathanOlder]

It was not easy to pass Alonso because of dirty air and there just was not enough difference with his tyres and Hamilton's to make the overtake straight forward.

He was 2.5 seconds per lap faster. He had better tyres and a much better car. He also had a stronger engine and more top speed. An overtake doesn’t get any easier than that.

And you'd be right of it weren't the Hungaroring or Monaco. Then add to that one driver is fighting for the title and the other is not.

Quite simple really. Like Alonso on Petrov all those years ago. One had a title at stake, the other had nothing.

[NathanOlder]

It was not easy to pass Alonso because of dirty air and there just was not enough difference with his tyres and Hamilton's to make the overtake straight forward.

He was 2.5 seconds per lap faster. He had better tyres and a much better car. He also had a stronger engine and more top speed. An overtake doesn’t get any easier than that.

Much faster car
Softer compound tires
Around 13 laps less in the tires
Much stronger PU
DRS
Hamilton at the wheel


If someone can find any other scenario where an overtake should be done faster than this, please tell me

But some Lewis fans simply can´t accept it and will find excuses even in the moon phase

You talk like Alonso held Lewis off to win the race. Yes Alonso defended well, very well in fact. Lewis took his time and didn't take any unnecessary risks. End result was 16 point gain on Max. job. done.

[atanatizante]

I don`t know if this official document was posted before ...

[Ryar]

I don`t know if this official document was posted before ...

https://postimages.org/

Stewards should move further ahead with an equiry to also let the public know, who was using ballast in the case of being undersized.

[Big Tea]

I don`t know if this official document was posted before ...

https://postimages.org/

Stewards should move further ahead with an equiry to also let the public know, who was using ballast in the case of being undersized.

Nah, its all false bollocks. Ignore it

[Wouter]

It was not easy to pass Alonso because of dirty air and there just was not enough difference with his tyres and Hamilton's to make the overtake straight forward.

He was 2.5 seconds per lap faster. He had better tyres and a much better car. He also had a stronger engine and more top speed. An overtake doesn’t get any easier than that.

Much faster car
Softer compound tires
Around 13 laps less in the tires
Much stronger PU
DRS
Hamilton at the wheel


If someone can find any other scenario where an overtake should be done faster than this, please tell me

But some Lewis fans simply can´t accept it and will find excuses even in the moon phase

It was very clear. Alonso was given once again a masterclass in defending.
This time against a 7 time WC , who had a faster car/PU, better/younger tires and DRS!!
Lewis was exhausted after the battle.

[DownShift Ninja]

I am an unapologetic Lewis Hamilton fan. He is the most talented driver in the field today. However Fernando Alonso is the most race scenario intelligent driver in the field today. This is something Alonso works on actively whether or not it is a race weekend. Lewis on the other hand will rely mostly on natural talent first then only really starts to think about how to resolve the issue after several attempts at trying to resolve it his natural way.

That is why for me I love to see when Lewis Struggles because that when he develops grows as a driver.

[maxxer]

It was not easy to pass Alonso because of dirty air and there just was not enough difference with his tyres and Hamilton's to make the overtake straight forward.

He was 2.5 seconds per lap faster. He had better tyres and a much better car. He also had a stronger engine and more top speed. An overtake doesn’t get any easier than that.

Much faster car
Softer compound tires
Around 13 laps less in the tires
Much stronger PU
DRS
Hamilton at the wheel


If someone can find any other scenario where an overtake should be done faster than this, please tell me

But some Lewis fans simply can´t accept it and will find excuses even in the moon phase

Ah didnt check the moon! lol must be that

[SiLo]

It was pretty obvious that all Alonso needed to do was be fast in the last corner and then not make a mistake at the first corner. T3 around the outside is always going to be difficult if the other driver is willing to compromise his line through it to the extent Alonso was.

Don't really need to discuss it further, feels more like people just wanting to "win " an argument rather than accept the facts of what actually happened.