Mercedes AMG F1 W03

[Fredy4]

Are you sure?

I thought the air coming from the back is the 'switch' the main air that stalls the FW is through the hole at the front.

The is a good chance its still two different systems of course.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98035

Bloody brilliant I tell you! =D>

Maybe just maybe, Mercedes have a podium chance for the first few fly away races.

"There was then a lengthy discussion in the TWG at the beginning of last year about that, to make sure everyone was clear about it. It seems a couple of teams went away from that meeting with the impression that F-ducts were banned in general. Whatever an F-duct is. But they are not.
What it appears some teams are doing is that when the DRS is operated, it will allow air to pass into a duct and do other things.
That is all I can say – you will probably have a pretty good idea of what it might be doing, and other teams will as well. But it is completely passive. There are no moving parts in it; it doesn't interact with any suspension. No steering, nothing. Therefore I cannot see a rule that prohibits it."

[Raptor22]

I think I have to agree with Brian on this one...that's quite the circuitous route for signal air to take from the DRS to the source (nose inlet?). Ever try to blow through a 3000 mm long straw?

A fit person can exert 4kg of force through exhaling through a 1 foot long conduit,
A vehicle moving at 300kmhr willhave a much greater force on a 5cm^2 opening than a human can exert while exhaling.

There is no point to the comparison.

[Mr.S]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98035

Bloody brilliant I tell you! =D>

Maybe just maybe, Mercedes have a podium chance for the first few fly away races.

"There was then a lengthy discussion in the TWG at the beginning of last year about that, to make sure everyone was clear about it. It seems a couple of teams went away from that meeting with the impression that F-ducts were banned in general. Whatever an F-duct is. But they are not.
What it appears some teams are doing is that when the DRS is operated, it will allow air to pass into a duct and do other things.
That is all I can say – you will probably have a pretty good idea of what it might be doing, and other teams will as well. But it is completely passive. There are no moving parts in it; it doesn't interact with any suspension. No steering, nothing. Therefore I cannot see a rule that prohibits it."

Well in Malayasia I am betting for a Mercedes win. Australia is an unusual track & traction is not Mercedes' strongest point.

The car is very good in fast corners as Ross & MS said,it will be a monster in a straight-line. There is only 7 days between Malayasia and Australia. Nico is a fantastic qualifier & in qualifying Mercedes are going to make up "HUGE" time with W-duct in the Rear Wing every time DRS is opened.

If they get the car on pole there is no stopping it,this car is a monster in a straight-line. Not jumbo sized rear wing like Mclaren,great engine,Kers,FW F-duct. And if they fall behind every-time they open DRS,they will have the Rear F/W duct with it. This car will be a monster,an absolute beast in a straight-line.

[Mr.S]

Are you sure?

I thought the air coming from the back is the 'switch' the main air that stalls the FW is through the hole at the front.

The is a good chance its still two different systems of course.

These are 2 Absolutely different concept. Both Ross & Charlie confirmed it. Charlie talked about the "REAR WING" concept operated with DRS & not FW. So yes these are two completely different concepts.

[pocketmoon]

Now the Mercedes DRS induces wing stalling has been a) confirmed and b) allowed thus bringing even more benefit per lap how about this for a race tactic : Both cars leap froging each other at each DRS zone (two in Oz?) allowing both cars to repeatedly benefit from an open DRS on each lap.

[Coefficient]

I think that to copy this system in such little time will be very difficult for the other teams. I have a question, the hole of the RBR nose is not the same? Charlie Waithing has said that there are "SOME TEAMS" ...

I don't think so, all the teams learnt a lot about this sort of technology in 2010, they can apply that knowledge in this situation. I would bet money that most teams will be on top of it much quicker than the F duct of 2010.

[NewtonMeter]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98035

Bloody brilliant I tell you! =D>

Maybe just maybe, Mercedes have a podium chance for the first few fly away races.

"There was then a lengthy discussion in the TWG at the beginning of last year about that, to make sure everyone was clear about it. It seems a couple of teams went away from that meeting with the impression that F-ducts were banned in general. Whatever an F-duct is. But they are not.
What it appears some teams are doing is that when the DRS is operated, it will allow air to pass into a duct and do other things.
That is all I can say – you will probably have a pretty good idea of what it might be doing, and other teams will as well. But it is completely passive. There are no moving parts in it; it doesn't interact with any suspension. No steering, nothing. Therefore I cannot see a rule that prohibits it."

Merc have come under fire a few times the last couple of years, and sometimes probably deservedly so. But I'm getting a real kick of it that others are finally copying Mercedes.

This would be an excellent opportunity for the detractors to come forth and prove they aren't biased and give credit where it's due.

[shelly]

Now the autosport article adds some confusion by saying merc system acts on the rear wing.

[skgoa]

Are you sure?

I thought the air coming from the back is the 'switch' the main air that stalls the FW is through the hole at the front.

The is a good chance its still two different systems of course.

Can't we just let the FW f-duct die now?

[dren]

Now the autosport article adds some confusion by saying merc system acts on the rear wing.

That's what I thought it was doing initially, it works with DRS in stalling the rear wing better. Don't know if that is really what is going on or not.

[skgoa]

Now the autosport article adds some confusion by saying merc system acts on the rear wing.

wow, you are in full-on denial.

[raymondu999]

Good news is that. Even if teams copy it, thats time other teams have to take out of theirdevelopment, meaning theoretically mercedes still have the advantage all through the season.

In a way the other teams' solutions will not be as integrated as the Merc. But equally - on the flipside - that is winter development time that Merc spent on their device; which others spent on "conventional" development. They will have a bit of an advantage throughout the season - but it will somewhat diminish thorugh the season IMO. Merc will still end up above the break even line though.

[Holm86]

So suspension is only to deflect bumps on the road. But the DRS actuator is not only for activating the DRS flap?? You can also use as a duct opener or a can crusher?? Thats just FIA retarded logic!!


But how does this system work? You cant have a slit in the main plane of the rear wing.

So the duct or ducts must be on the topside of the main plane??

So when they open they bleed the high preassure air on top of the wing into the wing and into the endplates then out somewhere????

[dren]

So suspension is only to deflect bumps on the road. But the DRS actuator is not only for activating the DRS flap?? You can also use as a duct opener or a can crusher?? Thats just FIA retarded logic!!


But how does this system work? You cant have a slit in the main plane of the rear wing.

So the duct or ducts must be on the topside of the main plane??

So when they open they bleed the high preassure air on top of the wing into the wing and into the endplates then out somewhere????

They are in the endplates. It's the area that is exposed when the top flap rotates.