Force India VJM10 Mercedes

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roadie wrote:I must say the rear packing on this car looks very neat and tidy.
Does anyone have a link to a picture to show the coke bottle shape of the rear packaging, preferably a top view? That way we can compare it to the Mercedes as well.

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IamLegend wrote:
roadie wrote:I must say the rear packing on this car looks very neat and tidy.
Does anyone have a link to a picture to show the coke bottle shape of the rear packaging, preferably a top view? That way we can compare it to the Mercedes as well.
The best i could find on internet


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too much cooling on the car.
radiators too big.
during the testing they covered one to 80%.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 31042.html
Andy Green : Wir haben die Kühler zu groß dimensioniert. Einen davon haben wir zu 80 Prozent abgedeckt
Finishing races is important, but racing is more important.

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The whole paragraph is quite intriguing, roughly translated to " There were cracks repeatedly. Technician commuted between England and Spain, to bring new or modified parts. The rear wing support, which is more recently through the exhaust is to blame. Mercedes makes the specifications, but does not supply the tailpipes. That's business of customers."
Technical Director Andy Green feels annoyed from himself: "if we alone could decide, we would build the rear sash support through the exhaust. It's quite expensive." In a second point, green knows where he has to start. "We have sized the coolers too large. Of which we have covered an 80 percent."
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IamLegend
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vas_04614 wrote:
IamLegend wrote:
roadie wrote:I must say the rear packing on this car looks very neat and tidy.
Does anyone have a link to a picture to show the coke bottle shape of the rear packaging, preferably a top view? That way we can compare it to the Mercedes as well.
The best i could find on internet


https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -vjm10.jpg

https://cdn-9.motorsport.com/images/amp ... -vjm10.jpg

Here's what I could dig, too bad it isn't the full picture.

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Loving the positive rake angle they've been able to develop, I'm sure it's going to pay off in a big way!
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FrukostScones wrote:too much cooling on the car.
radiators too big.
during the testing they covered one to 80%.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 31042.html
Andy Green : Wir haben die Kühler zu groß dimensioniert. Einen davon haben wir zu 80 Prozent abgedeckt
they covered 80%? bwoah thats a lot

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F1NAC wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:too much cooling on the car.
radiators too big.
during the testing they covered one to 80%.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 31042.html
Andy Green : Wir haben die Kühler zu groß dimensioniert. Einen davon haben wir zu 80 Prozent abgedeckt
they covered 80%? bwoah thats a lot
no, they covered 80% of ONE (engine coolant radiator I assum).
the article isn't specific but Kühler/cooler/radiator is generally the one with the engine coolant...
if the have 2 with 50/50 ... they covered 40% total. Is that appicable?
Also it was relatively cold during testing I think.
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So for both sides, race temperatures and with less airflow from corresponding smaller sidepods they might go 15-20% smaller up front. Would make the sidepod packaging on a par with the best if so.

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IamLegend wrote:
vas_04614 wrote:
IamLegend wrote:
Does anyone have a link to a picture to show the coke bottle shape of the rear packaging, preferably a top view? That way we can compare it to the Mercedes as well.
The best i could find on internet


https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -vjm10.jpg

https://cdn-9.motorsport.com/images/amp ... -vjm10.jpg

Here's what I could dig, too bad it isn't the full picture.

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -vjm10.jpg

https://cdn-9.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -vjm10.jpg
Wow, the front of the side pods are so wide... the full width of the floor. Though they taper down to quite a slim width at the rear suspension, this has to be the widest side pods of the field. The RBR being the best.

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Now we know what that bump on Forhead is for!

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What do they mean with "„Wir fahren hier in Barcelona noch nicht einmal den Rennspar-Modus“, verriet ein Mercedes-Kunde" ?

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makecry wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5rRtVSXQAETSS8.jpg


Now we know what that bump on Forhead is for!
The shaft looks like it is part of a ball screw, possibly driving a rotating mass inerter.
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Blackout wrote:What do they mean with "„Wir fahren hier in Barcelona noch nicht einmal den Rennspar-Modus“, verriet ein Mercedes-Kunde" ?
"Here in Barcelona, we don't even drive in race conserving mode."

Might be fuel or engine saving.

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hotochan wrote:
Blackout wrote:What do they mean with "„Wir fahren hier in Barcelona noch nicht einmal den Rennspar-Modus“, verriet ein Mercedes-Kunde" ?
"Here in Barcelona, we don't even drive in race conserving mode."

Might be fuel or engine saving.
That means they ran with "maximum power" all the time, or, in other words, they did not nurse the engines?

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Blackout wrote:
hotochan wrote:
Blackout wrote:What do they mean with "„Wir fahren hier in Barcelona noch nicht einmal den Rennspar-Modus“, verriet ein Mercedes-Kunde" ?
"Here in Barcelona, we don't even drive in race conserving mode."

Might be fuel or engine saving.
That means they ran with "maximum power" all the time, or, in other words, they did not nurse the engines?
That is also a possible interpretation. Either that or so tuned down that it didn't even tickle the engine.