Team: Bob Bell (TD), Norbert Haug (VP of Mercedes-Benz Motorsport), Nick Fry (CEO), Ross Brawn (TP), Geoff Willis (Technology Director), Also Costa (Engineering Director) Drivers: Michael Schumacher (7), Nico Rosberg (8)
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Diesel wrote:Can I say this more clearly? Mercedes are not routing air from the rear of the car to the front and using it to blow the wing.
The DRS-duct is being used as a pressure based switch. The tubes running through the car do not need to be the size of exhaust pipes, they do not carry any high speed air flow, they are simply used to switch the blowing of the front wing on or off.
beelsebob wrote:My prediction for tomorrow, if it's dry:
1. Vet, 2. Ham, 3. But
If it's wet:
1. Ham, 2. Sch, 3. But
If it's changable:
1. But, 2. Sch, 3. Ham
You are aware Vettel has won only 1 race when not starting on the front row. And that was 3rd on the grid, but made it into turn 1 first.
Id love to see Schumacher on the podium with Lewis & Jenson. The W03 lacks race pace though. (in my opinion)
So ill say Kimi to join the Mclarens on the podium.
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Diesel wrote:Can I say this more clearly? Mercedes are not routing air from the rear of the car to the front and using it to blow the wing.
The DRS-duct is being used as a pressure based switch. The tubes running through the car do not need to be the size of exhaust pipes, they do not carry any high speed air flow, they are simply used to switch the blowing of the front wing on or off.
Those certainly look large.
Pic is from RCB on Scarb's blog.
Hmm where do they go. Seems a pretty sharp turn behind the radiator. Or is the opening behind the radiator?
Diesel wrote:Can I say this more clearly? Mercedes are not routing air from the rear of the car to the front and using it to blow the wing.
The DRS-duct is being used as a pressure based switch. The tubes running through the car do not need to be the size of exhaust pipes, they do not carry any high speed air flow, they are simply used to switch the blowing of the front wing on or off.
Those certainly look large.
Pic is from RCB on Scarb's blog.
I'm not entirely sure about those pipes, something strange going on as they disappear under the exhaust, do they split in to more pipes, or get smaller?
beelsebob wrote:My prediction for tomorrow, if it's dry:
1. Vet, 2. Ham, 3. But
If it's wet:
1. Ham, 2. Sch, 3. But
If it's changable:
1. But, 2. Sch, 3. Ham
lol and why is vet gonna be first on what assumtion is that cause the redbull have been of pace this weekend the only team that is a threat this weekend to mclaren is the mercs.
Good Article in AutoSport about Brawn having enough of teams going on about the W03 Wing.
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The FIA has so far said that it sees no reason to ban the device, but that hasn't stopped rival teams continuing to speculate about its legality. And Brawn said he was tiring of the issue dragging on through race weekends as it was again a point of discussion after qualifying in Malaysia on Saturday.
"The correct time to bring these issues to a head, if you want to, is on a Thursday," said Brawn. "It is everybody's right to protest.
"As soon as scrutineering is finished [pre-event], if you wish to protest a system then that is the fair time to do it because you can bring it to a head before you get into qualifying, get into racing.
"Even in a business as competitive as we have there is some protocol, I believe."
Brawn said he had no problem with teams questioning a clever device on a rival's car, but he was disappointed with the way the issue is being handled.
"I can understand people are frustrated because they haven't thought of the idea, or they don't believe it's correct," he said. "And that's their right.
"But I've seen lots of things on racing cars where I've wondered at the interpretation, and that is the nature of our business.
"Bang a protest in on Thursday if you want to get it done, and leave the stewards to try and resolve the issue. Don't do it after qualifying or the race and spoil the event."....
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I could not agree more with the man, best response and way to handle a complex issue I have seen from a team principle in a long time.
These other teams should be embarrassed regrading how they are behaving when it comes to this issue. If you don't like it protest but don't wait to see if the team is faster than you or finishes in front at the race before you lodge, do it on Thursday.
Like Lotus last week fairly much said they were going to protest but seeing both Mercs DNF'ed they didn't have too and then turned around and said nah we never said we were going to protest... All to save face and not look like the bad guys but once MGP do well then it all changes.
They will look rather stupid if they protest this weekend, after not having protested last week seeing that nothing has changed on the system since then and Charlie ruled it legal for the 2nd time on Thursday so what would be the excuse for waiting till Sunday... I know because they are only pissed if they get beat and only then like sore losers do they go crying to make a protest, sad.
You seem to forget that Brawn was moaning about the RBR engine trick, but his objections were thrown out. He complains about others questioning his car, but doesn't mind questioning others.
gilgen wrote:You seem to forget that Brawn was moaning about the RBR engine trick, but his objections were thrown out. He complains about others questioning his car, but doesn't mind questioning others.
read what he said again mate... not in one place does he complain about their questioning, he just complains about the protocol or tactic they are using... come on
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guys ,what is that pipe for you can see exiting the engine shrouds just below the exhaust tip paralell to the exhaust pipe ??? it is aimed slightly upwards and ends into the octopus(!) leading into the crashbox .
is this the tube we all search?
It looks like that is it. We still lack seeing a connection from around the cockpit to the nose, but at this point one must assume that there probably is one.
How long would it take for a significant change in pressure to develop (and most importantly, to disappear afterwards upon closing) in a pipe of that diameter and approx 5m in total length if the air can normally only exit/enter through the holes (nose tip and rear end plates) and the slots (under the front wing) that we have seen so far? It feels like several tenths of a second to me, but this is only gut feeling.