Mercedes AMG F1 W03

A place to discuss the characteristics of the cars in Formula One, both current as well as historical. Laptimes, driver worshipping and team chatter do not belong here.
User avatar
dren
227
Joined: 03 Mar 2010, 14:14

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

Diesel wrote:Can I say this more clearly? Mercedes are not routing air from the rear of the car to the front and using it to blow the wing.

The DRS-duct is being used as a pressure based switch. The tubes running through the car do not need to be the size of exhaust pipes, they do not carry any high speed air flow, they are simply used to switch the blowing of the front wing on or off.
Those certainly look large.

Image
Pic is from RCB on Scarb's blog.
Honda!

User avatar
NathanOlder
48
Joined: 02 Mar 2012, 10:05
Location: Kent

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

beelsebob wrote:My prediction for tomorrow, if it's dry:
1. Vet, 2. Ham, 3. But
If it's wet:
1. Ham, 2. Sch, 3. But
If it's changable:
1. But, 2. Sch, 3. Ham

You are aware Vettel has won only 1 race when not starting on the front row. And that was 3rd on the grid, but made it into turn 1 first.

Id love to see Schumacher on the podium with Lewis & Jenson. The W03 lacks race pace though. (in my opinion)

So ill say Kimi to join the Mclarens on the podium.
GoLandoGo
Lewis v2.0
King George has arrived.

New found love for GT racing with Assetto Corsa Competizione on PS5 & PC

User avatar
PlatinumZealot
559
Joined: 12 Jun 2008, 03:45

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

dren wrote:
Diesel wrote:Can I say this more clearly? Mercedes are not routing air from the rear of the car to the front and using it to blow the wing.

The DRS-duct is being used as a pressure based switch. The tubes running through the car do not need to be the size of exhaust pipes, they do not carry any high speed air flow, they are simply used to switch the blowing of the front wing on or off.
Those certainly look large.

Image
Pic is from RCB on Scarb's blog.
Hmm where do they go. Seems a pretty sharp turn behind the radiator. Or is the opening behind the radiator?
🖐️✌️☝️👀👌✍️🐎🏆🙏

Racing Green in 2028

i70q7m7ghw
i70q7m7ghw
49
Joined: 12 Mar 2006, 00:27
Location: ...

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

dren wrote:
Diesel wrote:Can I say this more clearly? Mercedes are not routing air from the rear of the car to the front and using it to blow the wing.

The DRS-duct is being used as a pressure based switch. The tubes running through the car do not need to be the size of exhaust pipes, they do not carry any high speed air flow, they are simply used to switch the blowing of the front wing on or off.
Those certainly look large.

Pic is from RCB on Scarb's blog.
I'm not entirely sure about those pipes, something strange going on as they disappear under the exhaust, do they split in to more pipes, or get smaller?

User avatar
dren
227
Joined: 03 Mar 2010, 14:14

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

It is kind of hard to tell. It almost looks like they flatten out and run along side the chassis.
Honda!

Raptor22
Raptor22
26
Joined: 07 Apr 2009, 22:48

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

the chassis could have conduits moulded in. Nothing in the rules say it can't be hollow

mozza_84
mozza_84
-2
Joined: 01 Feb 2012, 20:48

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

beelsebob wrote:My prediction for tomorrow, if it's dry:
1. Vet, 2. Ham, 3. But
If it's wet:
1. Ham, 2. Sch, 3. But
If it's changable:
1. But, 2. Sch, 3. Ham
lol and why is vet gonna be first on what assumtion is that cause the redbull have been of pace this weekend the only team that is a threat this weekend to mclaren is the mercs.

Owen.C93
Owen.C93
177
Joined: 24 Jul 2010, 17:52

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

Not sure if this has been covered but I always thought these little extensions from the brake ducts were cool.

Image
Motorsport Graduate in search of team experience ;)

aduka11
aduka11
0
Joined: 17 Feb 2012, 14:29

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

Lol that floor...


Seeing it i have like 13232390289083 questions :lol:


Looks very fascinating =P~ ...compared to Mclarens..looks like part of space ship..too many details :shock:
Last edited by aduka11 on 24 Mar 2012, 20:43, edited 1 time in total.

flickster
flickster
0
Joined: 22 Feb 2012, 11:41

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

Good Article in AutoSport about Brawn having enough of teams going on about the W03 Wing.
-------
<SNIP>
The FIA has so far said that it sees no reason to ban the device, but that hasn't stopped rival teams continuing to speculate about its legality. And Brawn said he was tiring of the issue dragging on through race weekends as it was again a point of discussion after qualifying in Malaysia on Saturday.

"The correct time to bring these issues to a head, if you want to, is on a Thursday," said Brawn. "It is everybody's right to protest.

"As soon as scrutineering is finished [pre-event], if you wish to protest a system then that is the fair time to do it because you can bring it to a head before you get into qualifying, get into racing.

"Even in a business as competitive as we have there is some protocol, I believe."

Brawn said he had no problem with teams questioning a clever device on a rival's car, but he was disappointed with the way the issue is being handled.

"I can understand people are frustrated because they haven't thought of the idea, or they don't believe it's correct," he said. "And that's their right.

"But I've seen lots of things on racing cars where I've wondered at the interpretation, and that is the nature of our business.

"Bang a protest in on Thursday if you want to get it done, and leave the stewards to try and resolve the issue. Don't do it after qualifying or the race and spoil the event."....
<SNIP>
-------
I could not agree more with the man, best response and way to handle a complex issue I have seen from a team principle in a long time.

These other teams should be embarrassed regrading how they are behaving when it comes to this issue. If you don't like it protest but don't wait to see if the team is faster than you or finishes in front at the race before you lodge, do it on Thursday.

Like Lotus last week fairly much said they were going to protest but seeing both Mercs DNF'ed they didn't have too and then turned around and said nah we never said we were going to protest... All to save face and not look like the bad guys but once MGP do well then it all changes.

They will look rather stupid if they protest this weekend, after not having protested last week seeing that nothing has changed on the system since then and Charlie ruled it legal for the 2nd time on Thursday so what would be the excuse for waiting till Sunday... I know because they are only pissed if they get beat and only then like sore losers do they go crying to make a protest, sad.

aral
aral
26
Joined: 03 Apr 2010, 22:49

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

You seem to forget that Brawn was moaning about the RBR engine trick, but his objections were thrown out. He complains about others questioning his car, but doesn't mind questioning others.

User avatar
Med4224
0
Joined: 10 Feb 2011, 23:46
Location: Vienna, Austria

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

gilgen wrote:You seem to forget that Brawn was moaning about the RBR engine trick, but his objections were thrown out. He complains about others questioning his car, but doesn't mind questioning others.
read what he said again mate... not in one place does he complain about their questioning, he just complains about the protocol or tactic they are using... come on
Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.

Albert Einstein

flickster
flickster
0
Joined: 22 Feb 2012, 11:41

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

Med4224, exactly what I was thinking.

Not once is Brawn saying he cares if the teams complain, Brawn has also complained in the past. He is just not happy with the way they are doing it.

The way these teams are behaving just makes them look like sore losers.

marcush.
marcush.
159
Joined: 09 Mar 2004, 16:55

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

Image
Pic is from RCB on Scarb's blog.[/quote]

guys ,what is that pipe for you can see exiting the engine shrouds just below the exhaust tip paralell to the exhaust pipe ??? it is aimed slightly upwards and ends into the octopus(!) leading into the crashbox .
is this the tube we all search?

User avatar
hollus
Moderator
Joined: 29 Mar 2009, 01:21
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W03

Post

It looks like that is it. We still lack seeing a connection from around the cockpit to the nose, but at this point one must assume that there probably is one.
How long would it take for a significant change in pressure to develop (and most importantly, to disappear afterwards upon closing) in a pipe of that diameter and approx 5m in total length if the air can normally only exit/enter through the holes (nose tip and rear end plates) and the slots (under the front wing) that we have seen so far? It feels like several tenths of a second to me, but this is only gut feeling.
TANSTAAFL