Strange going-ons at Red Bull

[Giblet]

Djos, personalizing your post at anyone will get poor results. Attack the post, not the poster. 'Get stuffed' is an insult, and it has not place in a thread about a racing team. It's really very simple.

Since I guess it's possible you somehow think it's just an expression, understand saying it is little different than "F--- Off".

Andrew, just report these kind of posts instead of responding, take the high road.

[djos]

Will be intersting if this whole fiasco raises its head again. Though I feel sorry for Webber, and personally I'd like to see him win the championchip, Vettel was leading the points within the team so therefore he deserved priority treatment.

Did they have a another spare if Vettel damaged his nose in the race?

That's just silly, when 2 drivers are both in the hunt for the WDC and one driver has the misfortune to break his only part (apparently it wasn't attached 100% correctly - his side of the garages fault) you don't cannibalise the other drivers car for the part even if SV is leading the WDC - it's just bad form and will create the fireworks that we saw. Especially after the Turkey stuff, CH really did not think this one through!

We've had reports of MW's side garage taking the wing off marks car and shaking it at SV's team, thats how bad things have gotten in the team and all because of 1 stupid decision!

[djos]

If they've set the principle as the favouring leader in the WDC, then lets see if that holds true in the next race ....

Webber was leading the WDC when they tried to engineer SV's win in Turkey so im not going to hold my breath on that one.

[djos]

Djos, personalizing your post at anyone will get poor results. Attack the post, not the poster. 'Get stuffed' is an insult, and it has not place in a thread about a racing team. It's really very simple.

Since I guess it's possible you somehow think it's just an expression, understand saying it is little different than "F--- Off".

Andrew, just report these kind of posts instead of responding, take the high road.

Ok I admit the GS was possibly a bit strong so i'll remove it.

PS. In Aus telling a mate to get stuffed during a robust discussion is not usually considered an insult, it's meant as challenge to prove your statement or admit defeat.

[segedunum]

Most people's issue isn't that Vettel came through the field it's that he displayed no interest in trying to fight back into contention until the safety car did most of the hard work for him.

Did anyone hear his race engineer say "You can't go this slowly" over the radio?

[djos]

Most people's issue isn't that Vettel came through the field it's that he displayed no interest in trying to fight back into contention until the safety car did most of the hard work for him.

Did anyone hear his race engineer say "You can't go this slowly" over the radio?

I thought I heard them tell him to get a move on but I forget the exact words - iirc they were "encouraging him to go faster"

[raymondu999]

Hey djos, do you mind combining your replies to other posts in just one post? It's kind of annoying to see 6 or 7 posts by you straight in a row here...

[djos]

Hey djos, do you mind combining your replies to other posts in just one post? It's kind of annoying to see 6 or 7 posts by you straight in a row here...

lol, yeah sure thing.

[raymondu999]

No offense meant mate... just that it was kind of annoying. Thanks for understanding

Back on topic now.

Honestly I've always been a Vettel fan since he just waltzed Formula BMW. This scene of favoritism talk hasn't actually done much to my opinion of Vettel, but it has to RBR. Vettel should move to a more experienced team, such as Ferrari/McLaren/Williams. I seriously feel the way that RBR is doing favoritism, or appears to be doing so to Vettel, is stunting his growth and development as a driver. He'd become a much more complete and better driver just by moving to a different team.

Similarly with Webber, he too should move on to another team. It seems they have no intention of helping him either.

[djos]

No offense meant mate... just that it was kind of annoying. Thanks for understanding

Back on topic now.

Honestly I've always been a Vettel fan since he just waltzed Formula BMW. This scene of favoritism talk hasn't actually done much to my opinion of Vettel, but it has to RBR. Vettel should move to a more experienced team, such as Ferrari/McLaren/Williams. I seriously feel the way that RBR is doing favoritism, or appears to be doing so to Vettel, is stunting his growth and development as a driver. He'd become a much more complete and better driver just by moving to a different team.

Similarly with Webber, he too should move on to another team. It seems they have no intention of helping him either.

none taken.

I like Vettel too but this year he's started to annoy me a bit - in fact he's reminding me a lot of Hamilton before he learned some humility and dropped the god given right attitude.

I'd luv to see Webber in a MacMerc but that seems unlikely in 2011 but you never know in 2012.

Btw, to those that have forgotten and still think of MW as a journey man, you are forgetting that when Williams hired him they where a top team but the internal spat with BMW and inability to calibrate their wind tunnel and bring positive developments to their cars proved to be their undoing - MW was just in the right place at the wrong time.

[proutyc]

I think Turkey had different reasons. There Vettel was the meat in the sandwich. RBR needed to maximise points and they were at risk with Webber's lack of speed.

You are correct about we'll see, as Horner's comments about managing a TEAM and having to make difficult decisions, if true then when Webber is leading the WDC he's the lead of the team. (If I recall even MS, played second fiddle to Irvine one year) If this is not the case, the media will take him to task about not managing a team but managing the 'number one driver' individual.

Then I'd struggle to see how this outcome would not do damage to the RBR brand in some way in the eye of its supporters and maybe minority sponsors.

[Giblet]

In Australia, if you are a carpenter and not done your apprenticeship, you are considered a journeyman. In North America, when you complete your apprenticeship, you are a journeyman, ie a full carpenter. Polar opposites.

A friend of mine had difficulty getting work here until he realized the overseas terminology change.

Can you clarify for me what context the word is for you, or was my friend an idjit?

[djos]

In Australia, if you are a carpenter and not done your apprenticeship, you are considered a journeyman. In North America, when you complete your apprenticeship, you are a journeyman, ie a full carpenter. Polar opposites.

A friend of mine had difficulty getting work here until he realized the overseas terminology change.

Can you clarify for me what context the word is for you, or was my friend an idjit?

Im not sure what the last half of your final sentence means but in answer to the 1st half, in Aussie racing parlance a journey man is some one who is of average talent and has been around for a while without accomplishing anything of note and is unlikely to redress this.

A good example was Neil Crompton in V8SC, great bloke, good race car driver but never able achieve greatness as a driver even tho he raced for some decent teams - turns out tho he's a bloody great commentator and Journo.

I think Turkey had different reasons. There Vettel was the meat in the sandwich. RBR needed to maximise points and they were at risk with Webber's lack of speed.

You are correct about we'll see, as Horner's comments about managing a TEAM and having to make difficult decisions, if true then when Webber is leading the WDC he's the lead of the team. (If I recall even MS, played second fiddle to Irvine one year) If this is not the case, the media will take him to task about not managing a team but managing the 'number one driver' individual.

Then I'd struggle to see how this outcome would not do damage to the RBR brand in some way in the eye of its supporters and maybe minority sponsors.

If you go back through the Turkey thread I think you'll find it was proven that before the team told Seb to turn his engine back up Webber, Vettel and Hamilton where all doing comparable times and Seb was in no danger from Hamilton as the MacMercs where going into fuel saving mode at around the same time as the bulls.

[Ciro Pabón]

djos, you edited your comment, good. I do not threaten people, but, please, don't do it again: I'm back and I'm not permissive towards foul language, not because of morals but because you make us, members, look bad.

If I might say so, you could make your point with subtlety: it's easy (and rewarding). What about "your post should be in the family jewels drawer", instead of "bollocks"?. "Your post could be smarter" sounds much better than "You are stupid". I'm sure you already know that, you've been around for a while.

So, your posts could be smarter (blink, blink).

Also, please, I beg you, stop posting in this thread so frequently. We support your enthusiasm, BUT it's boring and we don't want a boring thread. Try to put together several posts next time. We have nothing against long posts that show some work behind... This ain't Twitter, use the ample room you have at hand. It's like playing soccer vs micro-football.

Finally, to all of you, it's childish and immature to discuss if Webber or Vettel are the best. I cannot understand why some people insists on having arguments about which driver is the best. Furthermore, it serves no useful purpose to claim that a driver is better than others: how can you do that?

After all, we all know Alonso is the best...

[djos]

djos, you edited your comment, good. I do not threaten people, but, please, don't do it again: I'm back and I'm not permissive towards foul language, not because of morals but because you make us, members, look bad.

If I might say so, you could make your point with subtlety: it's easy (and rewarding). What about "your post should be in the family jewels drawer", instead of "bollocks"?. "Your post could be smarter" sounds much better than "You are stupid". I'm sure you already know that, you've been around for a while.

So, your posts could be smarter (blink, blink).

I'll take what you've said on board Ciro but "bollocks" = foul language??? I think this may be a translation thing as in Aus/UK this is not an insult or foul language, it's just slang for "you're wrong".