Vodafone McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes

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yep, i've just read the same interview and he says that its something they are looking at for next year but it's too bigger change this year.
"I'm not an aerodynamicist but there's got to be something there, so that's what we're looking at for this car, but also for next year's car.

"It is too big a change for this season.

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mozza_84 wrote:Just read that hamilton has stated in such words that this years cars is fundamently flawed and in need of a redisign because all other cars i.e redbull and others have boxers noses and they dont which means that there aint no new chassis for germany and very unlikely we will see it this year. One hell of a disapointing year this is gonna be.
This was mentioned a couple of times just on last page.

But that dosnt mean that there wont be a new chassis in Germany. You cant read anything into what Lewis is saying. Otherwise you could also say that Lewis dares to say something like that because he know that there will be a renewed car for next race.

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Holm86 wrote:
mozza_84 wrote:Just read that hamilton has stated in such words that this years cars is fundamently flawed and in need of a redisign because all other cars i.e redbull and others have boxers noses and they dont which means that there aint no new chassis for germany and very unlikely we will see it this year. One hell of a disapointing year this is gonna be.
This was mentioned a couple of times just on last page.

But that dosnt mean that there wont be a new chassis in Germany. You cant read anything into what Lewis is saying. Otherwise you could also say that Lewis dares to say something like that because he know that there will be a renewed car for next race.
I understand what you mean, he can say the car is rubbish because there's a new one coming soon, but who knows? Wishful thinking perhaps?
I heard paddy Lowe on sky basically accepting the car/development isn't good enough which is good to hear, least they aren't burying their heads in the sand and saying it circumstantial that they had a poor weekend. The first step on the road to recovery is acceptance
Just a fan's point of view

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will the high nose really solve the problems? It may be the problem but surely the whole car was originally designed around the low nose/chassis. If they do change to a high nose there will still be a lot to be changed?
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I understand what you mean, he can say the car is rubbish because there's a new 1 coming soon, but who knows? Wishful thing perhaps?
I heard paddy Lowe on sky basically accepting the car/development isn't good enough which is good to hear, least they aren't burying their heads in the sand and saying it circumstantial that the had a poor weekend. The first step on the road to recovery is acceptance
Well they can't deny it. The biggest issue for me is how they thought this track would suit there car...

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Even though the car looked slow, it's still difficult to read anything into it because of the massive amount of limited dry running they had. But still, the car needs some upgrades and fast. If i were Mclaren I would be rushing them out and just sticking them on the car, it's the fastest way to find out if they work or not!
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its such a long process though

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Shakeman wrote:Lewis had a full wet setup.
no he didn't Paddy Love said after race that such a thing like wet set-up doesnt exist in modern F1!
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What are the advantage of the high chassis?? More air underneath the nose to feed the diffuser?? Will it really allow that much more air? Or is it just a tiny bit more?

Is a disadvantage to the higher chassis not a higher CoG?

One of the problems of the MP4-27 is its tyre eating abilities. Is this because of lack in downforce? Or suspension geometry?

I dont believe that switching to a high chassis will solve the car.

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Maybe we´ll see a RBR-type exhaust.
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Nando wrote:Maybe we´ll see a RBR-type exhaust.
That i would belive. Including the tunnels.

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Just a thought.

Paddy Lowe have said that they are looking into front pull rod suspension for next year. IF they bring a new chassis at some point in this season. Could it be with front pull rod? They would have time to explore and get familiar with the concept till next year.

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RB and Ferrari both spent a considerable amount of development on their rear end. None of this can be cheap especially RB who have been bringing a new and significant variations on their tunnel design to every recent race. Not to mention different solutions on each car during practice sessions.

Is the RRA having an impact on Mclaren's development relative to other teams?

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Shakeman wrote:RB and Ferrari both spent a considerable amount of development on their rear end. None of this can be cheap especially RB who have been bringing a new and significant variations on their tunnel design to every recent race. Not to mention different solutions on each car during practice sessions.

Is the RRA having an impact on Mclaren's development relative to other teams?

Well since no one is actually checking who spends money on what and how much the RRA shouldnt have an impact since you cant have morals in F1, if one spends over the RRA then well everyone can and prob are atm.

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SiLo wrote:Even though the car looked slow, it's still difficult to read anything into it because of the massive amount of limited dry running they had. But still, the car needs some upgrades and fast. If i were Mclaren I would be rushing them out and just sticking them on the car, it's the fastest way to find out if they work or not!
It was probably a combo of limited running on the new parts and the softer setup for cold/wet weather in my eyes, it would have been very easy just to miss the operating window for the tyres even though the drivers got the balance how they wanted it.

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^ This

I think the wet P1 & P2 cost them dear, they just didn't have time to do all the work needed to get new parts tested and refined. They were never going to win this race but I don't think they're as slow as they looked yesterday, Germany is now the acid test for me, they have a whole host of upgrades and if these don't work their season as title hopefulls is over.

I think they made a balls of their stratergy yesterday with the short middle stint on softs, they said they did this to beat Grosjean but this was never on the cards, they were racing Schuey and I think they could have done this with the right pit call.