2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[ScuderiaLeo]

So in the sim they designed a car that would run a few Mls lower, but they can't actually run this low without getting DSQ and they don't yet know how to get there?

Not only this season is a bust, i'd be very concerned about this same group designing future cars.

I'm still thinking about how Duchessa said after the sprint: Ferrari created a seeming-ly great anti-understeer setup in the sim for Miami and then it didn't end up working at all, totally different from how things were on track. This forced them to go the opposite for the real GP which also didn't work...

The correlation problems between the sim and track worry me the most right now. If they can't resolve that then any parts they make for the foreseeable future will be a big question mark.

[dia6olo]

My point to the post is what was the point in bringing Hamilton in?
Other than the marketing side of it, it was always going to be a terrible decision for Ferrari F1, he was never going and is never really going to be able to compete with Charles

He’s won a sprint, less than a tenth off the supposed fastest man over one lap in Q in Miami, and was nip & tuck with him yesterday in the race. He’s learning, steadily improving, and clearly able to compete.

You’ve written him off, because you don’t like him, and never wanted him to be signed. Thankfully, Ferrari won’t do the same and are in this for the long haul, unlike you, who’s made a judgement after six races, in what is, a complete dud of a car.

Hamilton started losing his "the best driver in F1 status" 2 or 3 years before he even joined Ferrari, anybody with eyes wide open not wearing blinkers could see it!

If your best defence is that he won a sprint then you are clutching at straws, decent drivers win from time to time when the stars align, it happens to plenty of drivers, what it doesn't do is change the underlying reality of were these drivers are really at, and reality is that while Hamilton is still decent, he is in decline and has been for a good 3 years or so now, he is not on Leclerc's level so the what was the point in bringing him in other than marketing still stands!

[Seanspeed]

I told all of you, I told ALL OF YOU. Hyping up this off-season like it made any bit of a difference for the past 16 years.

It didn’t matter if was Raikkonen, Alonso, Vettel and now Hamilton.

This is who Ferrari is and frankly I hope Leclerc comes to the realization that he needs to change teams as soon as possible to have any chance of getting a WDC. With Ferrari the writing is on the wall. He is far too talented to hope for championship with a team that operationally is not there.

You didn't know anything. You think the switch to pull rod was the signal that the team was hopeless, just for reference. That's how worthless your 'telling us' actually was, cuz it's a claim only somebody who doesn't understand what they're saying would make.

And Ferrari has been very up and down over the past 16 years, and has produced some very good cars in that time as well. Ferrari isn't any 'one thing'. Things are frustrating this season, but nobody knew anything before the season how it would go. There were plenty of reasons to be optimistic with how Ferrari ended 2024.

[codetower]

Thanks for the post @Vanja. Great insight as always.

The thing that frustrates me is that we'll never know Charles' true potential like this. Right now McLaren has a rocketship so they can afford to have two #1's. As long as they are finishing 1-2 McLaren wont care who's first and who's second. But as soon as one or two teams get close, they will have to choose which driver to prioritize. Do they design the car with more front, more rear, weight distribution, who to prioritize during the race, etc. If Antonelli keeps on this trajectory, Mercedes will have this issue as well in a couple of years.

Max is a great driver, no doubt about it, but the reason he appears to be on a completely different level to everyone else is because every bit or focus on that team is towards him. Similar situation with Hamilton/Bottas. As long as Ferrari keeps wanting to have two #1's, we'll never see Charles'... or whoever is in the other car, true potential. This is the most frustrating thing for me right now.

[Seanspeed]

Thanks for the post @Vanja. Great insight as always.

The thing that frustrates me is that we'll never know Charles' true potential like this. Right now McLaren has a rocketship so they can afford to have two #1's. As long as they are finishing 1-2 McLaren wont care who's first and who's second. But as soon as one or two teams get close, they will have to choose which driver to prioritize. Do they design the car with more front, more rear, weight distribution, who to prioritize during the race, etc. If Antonelli keeps on this trajectory, Mercedes will have this issue as well in a couple of years.

Max is a great driver, no doubt about it, but the reason he appears to be on a completely different level to everyone else is because every bit or focus on that team is towards him. Similar situation with Hamilton/Bottas. As long as Ferrari keeps wanting to have two #1's, we'll never see Charles'... or whoever is in the other car, true potential. This is the most frustrating thing for me right now.

Teams dont design cars for specific drivers. Differences in driving styles are ultimately VERY subtle in the grand scheme of things, and no F1 team is so insanely competent that they can design a car with the EXACT specific subtleties in mind of a specific driver's preferences. If they were capable of this, then every team would be capable of producing a top car every year. Nobody would be making a car with any kind of issues at all, cuz they'd just design the car to not have those characteristics. But obviously it never actually works like that.

Ferrari doesn't have any problem with drivers or who is or isn't getting prioritized. This seems like such a bizarre thing to be worrying about.

[codetower]

Thanks for the post @Vanja. Great insight as always.

The thing that frustrates me is that we'll never know Charles' true potential like this. Right now McLaren has a rocketship so they can afford to have two #1's. As long as they are finishing 1-2 McLaren wont care who's first and who's second. But as soon as one or two teams get close, they will have to choose which driver to prioritize. Do they design the car with more front, more rear, weight distribution, who to prioritize during the race, etc. If Antonelli keeps on this trajectory, Mercedes will have this issue as well in a couple of years.

Max is a great driver, no doubt about it, but the reason he appears to be on a completely different level to everyone else is because every bit or focus on that team is towards him. Similar situation with Hamilton/Bottas. As long as Ferrari keeps wanting to have two #1's, we'll never see Charles'... or whoever is in the other car, true potential. This is the most frustrating thing for me right now.

Teams dont design cars for specific drivers. Differences in driving styles are ultimately VERY subtle in the grand scheme of things, and no F1 team is so insanely competent that they can design a car with the EXACT specific subtleties in mind of a specific driver's preferences. If they were capable of this, then every team would be capable of producing a top car every year. Nobody would be making a car with any kind of issues at all, cuz they'd just design the car to not have those characteristics. But obviously it never actually works like that.

Ferrari doesn't have any problem with drivers or who is or isn't getting prioritized. This seems like such a bizarre thing to be worrying about.

No, they wont design the car for a specific driver, but upgrades can definitely affect one driver more than the other. If one driver wants/needs a stronger turn in, the team might focus the front wing upgrades for this specifically. Some of the upgrades might affect the setup window making it more difficult for the other driver to set up the car to their liking. We've seen it here recently how an upgrade would benefit Sainz but make it more difficult for Leclerc to adapt, and vice versa. Last year at RB, as upgrades came in, Max got stronger and Sergio fell back. Driving styles may be subtle, but I'm sure when the team is deciding what "weakness" of the car to focus on, they are taking one or both of the drivers "style" into account.

[Luscion]

Thanks for the post @Vanja. Great insight as always.

The thing that frustrates me is that we'll never know Charles' true potential like this. Right now McLaren has a rocketship so they can afford to have two #1's. As long as they are finishing 1-2 McLaren wont care who's first and who's second. But as soon as one or two teams get close, they will have to choose which driver to prioritize. Do they design the car with more front, more rear, weight distribution, who to prioritize during the race, etc. If Antonelli keeps on this trajectory, Mercedes will have this issue as well in a couple of years.

Max is a great driver, no doubt about it, but the reason he appears to be on a completely different level to everyone else is because every bit or focus on that team is towards him. Similar situation with Hamilton/Bottas. As long as Ferrari keeps wanting to have two #1's, we'll never see Charles'... or whoever is in the other car, true potential. This is the most frustrating thing for me right now.

Teams dont design cars for specific drivers. Differences in driving styles are ultimately VERY subtle in the grand scheme of things, and no F1 team is so insanely competent that they can design a car with the EXACT specific subtleties in mind of a specific driver's preferences. If they were capable of this, then every team would be capable of producing a top car every year. Nobody would be making a car with any kind of issues at all, cuz they'd just design the car to not have those characteristics. But obviously it never actually works like that.

Ferrari doesn't have any problem with drivers or who is or isn't getting prioritized. This seems like such a bizarre thing to be worrying about.

No, they wont design the car for a specific driver, but upgrades can definitely affect one driver more than the other. If one driver wants/needs a stronger turn in, the team might focus the front wing upgrades for this specifically. Some of the upgrades might affect the setup window making it more difficult for the other driver to set up the car to their liking. We've seen it here recently how an upgrade would benefit Sainz but make it more difficult for Leclerc to adapt, and vice versa. Last year at RB, as upgrades came in, Max got stronger and Sergio fell back. Driving styles may be subtle, but I'm sure when the team is deciding what "weakness" of the car to focus on, they are taking one or both of the drivers "style" into account.

Lewis and Charles have very similar driving styles, Charles said he was surprised just how similar they are. the car has a very weak rear end and thats affecting both drivers, Lewis more so, Ferrari fixes that, they improve it for both. Like i've been saying, the main issue right now is the car is bad

[ScuderiaLeo]

The issue is the car is unpredictable and has a narrow operating window. If the car becomes more predictable with a wider window that benefits both drivers. It will probably benefit Hamilton more because he's struggling more, but that doesn't mean it won't help Leclerc too. Such a pointless discussion.

[SB15]

I told all of you, I told ALL OF YOU. Hyping up this off-season like it made any bit of a difference for the past 16 years.

It didn’t matter if was Raikkonen, Alonso, Vettel and now Hamilton.

This is who Ferrari is and frankly I hope Leclerc comes to the realization that he needs to change teams as soon as possible to have any chance of getting a WDC. With Ferrari the writing is on the wall. He is far too talented to hope for championship with a team that operationally is not there.

You didn't know anything. You think the switch to pull rod was the signal that the team was hopeless, just for reference. That's how worthless your 'telling us' actually was, cuz it's a claim only somebody who doesn't understand what they're saying would make.

And Ferrari has been very up and down over the past 16 years, and has produced some very good cars in that time as well. Ferrari isn't any 'one thing'. Things are frustrating this season, but nobody knew anything before the season how it would go. There were plenty of reasons to be optimistic with how Ferrari ended 2024.

This comment is pure copium, said a whole lot of nothing on than the obvious to keep any slimmer of hope.

You can defend this team all you want and I don't know how any Ferrari fan does. I warned you during the off-season when they decided to change 99% of the car when a massive regulation change was right around the corner and they were slower than the Williams on merit (Maybe a testament on how much the Williams improved over the off-season)

And they're much slower than the Mclaren last year thanks to what? Oh yeah, the switch to the Pull-rod which takes more than a season to understand fully.

This team is legit "The Cowboys of F1"

[LetHimTrough]

I told all of you, I told ALL OF YOU. Hyping up this off-season like it made any bit of a difference for the past 16 years.

It didn’t matter if was Raikkonen, Alonso, Vettel and now Hamilton.

This is who Ferrari is and frankly I hope Leclerc comes to the realization that he needs to change teams as soon as possible to have any chance of getting a WDC. With Ferrari the writing is on the wall. He is far too talented to hope for championship with a team that operationally is not there.

You didn't know anything. You think the switch to pull rod was the signal that the team was hopeless, just for reference. That's how worthless your 'telling us' actually was, cuz it's a claim only somebody who doesn't understand what they're saying would make.

And Ferrari has been very up and down over the past 16 years, and has produced some very good cars in that time as well. Ferrari isn't any 'one thing'. Things are frustrating this season, but nobody knew anything before the season how it would go. There were plenty of reasons to be optimistic with how Ferrari ended 2024.

This comment is pure copium, said a whole lot of nothing on than the obvious to keep any slimmer of hope.

You can defend this team all you want and I don't know how any Ferrari fan does. I warned you during the off-season when they decided to change 99% of the car when a massive regulation change was right around the corner and they were slower than the Williams on merit (Maybe a testament on how much the Williams improved over the off-season)

And they're much slower than the Mclaren last year thanks to what? Oh yeah, the switch to the Pull-rod which takes more than a season to understand fully.

This team is legit "The Cowboys of F1"

Okay was slower than Williams in Miami not slower on Merit per se all season, that is a clear exaggeration.

It is Still 94 vs 37 and with a double DSQ from Ferrari.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Some thoughts from our good friend Fred - not Vasseur...



Translation from the article:

Ferrari's weekend in Miami marks a particularly low point this season, perhaps worse than the double disqualification in China. The SF-25’s struggles were predictable given the track's mechanical compromise demands, precisely where Ferrari has shown consistent weakness.

The weekend clearly exposed Ferrari's issues, particularly the performance decline between Sprint and GP qualifying, highlighting the necessity to raise the car higher than competitors when fully fueled. The SF-25's lack of mechanical grip was glaringly evident in the slow, winding central sector, prompting even Vasseur to admit chronic slowness in slow corners. Only halfway through the race did the car come alive, matching the pace of Russell and Verstappen and surpassing Antonelli. Hamilton’s aggressive strategy further complicated Ferrari's situation.

Despite strategic errors affecting positions, the deeper issue remains Ferrari’s fundamental mechanical-chassis weaknesses, likely requiring structural changes possibly unfeasible within the current budget cap. This might explain Vasseur's cautious stance on updates, aware that Maranello hasn’t found the magic formula yet. As Ferrari struggles internally, rivals advance, making the SF-25’s "potential" insufficient to seriously challenge McLaren.

Additional engine failures from customer teams Bearman and Bortoleto further exacerbate Maranello's troubles, highlighting the urgency for improvements ahead of Barcelona to salvage the latter half of the season, especially if the rumored directive shifts track dynamics.

Translation of the "xeets":

It’s true that #Ferrari was close to #Verstappen and #Russell in the second stint, but that only confirms the structural shortcomings of the #SF25, which were very evident in Miami. #McLaren was almost 1 second per lap faster throughout the entire race, without phases. From this you can see how Max had the pace of the others, similar among all, and that to keep up with the McLarens he tried to pull off a miracle. Also evident is the usual bad luck of #Leclerc with the VSC (activated just as he passed the pit entry, deactivated while he was still in the pit).

[SB15]

You didn't know anything. You think the switch to pull rod was the signal that the team was hopeless, just for reference. That's how worthless your 'telling us' actually was, cuz it's a claim only somebody who doesn't understand what they're saying would make.

And Ferrari has been very up and down over the past 16 years, and has produced some very good cars in that time as well. Ferrari isn't any 'one thing'. Things are frustrating this season, but nobody knew anything before the season how it would go. There were plenty of reasons to be optimistic with how Ferrari ended 2024.

This comment is pure copium, said a whole lot of nothing on than the obvious to keep any slimmer of hope.

You can defend this team all you want and I don't know how any Ferrari fan does. I warned you during the off-season when they decided to change 99% of the car when a massive regulation change was right around the corner and they were slower than the Williams on merit (Maybe a testament on how much the Williams improved over the off-season)

And they're much slower than the Mclaren last year thanks to what? Oh yeah, the switch to the Pull-rod which takes more than a season to understand fully.

This team is legit "The Cowboys of F1"

Okay was slower than Williams in Miami not slower on Merit per se all season, that is a clear exaggeration.

It is Still 94 vs 37 and with a double DSQ from Ferrari.

Exaggeration or not, they were slower. Where's the anger? Where's the frustration? Cmon guys, why are you guys not giving this team any accountability for their mishaps? Any other team would've been readily on the hot seat if this was the results they produced for a decade and a half especially if you're considered the "Embodiment of F1". Have you guys given up and just live with it?

For the sake of their future and reputation, Ferrari and Fred just needs to stop everything and focus on 2026 because the way it's looking is just... no words. Mercedes, Redbull, Williams, Mclaren and Haas were wise to not take too much risks this season and focus mainly for next year.

[Fakepivot]

Exaggeration or not, they were slower. Where's the anger? Where's the frustration? Cmon guys, why are you guys not giving this team any accountability for their mishaps?

man, please shush alreeady, we are all clearly disapointed with this race. but what is this show anger and frustration thing? what the hell does that accomplice only make reading this form post more slug to get throw.

its a sport, not a political election. or some war... relax enjoy the week. atlist no race to Disapoint you this weekend lol

[Jurgen von Diaz]

Thanks for the post @Vanja. Great insight as always.

The thing that frustrates me is that we'll never know Charles' true potential like this. Right now McLaren has a rocketship so they can afford to have two #1's. As long as they are finishing 1-2 McLaren wont care who's first and who's second. But as soon as one or two teams get close, they will have to choose which driver to prioritize. Do they design the car with more front, more rear, weight distribution, who to prioritize during the race, etc. If Antonelli keeps on this trajectory, Mercedes will have this issue as well in a couple of years.

Max is a great driver, no doubt about it, but the reason he appears to be on a completely different level to everyone else is because every bit or focus on that team is towards him. Similar situation with Hamilton/Bottas. As long as Ferrari keeps wanting to have two #1's, we'll never see Charles'... or whoever is in the other car, true potential. This is the most frustrating thing for me right now.

Teams dont design cars for specific drivers. Differences in driving styles are ultimately VERY subtle in the grand scheme of things, and no F1 team is so insanely competent that they can design a car with the EXACT specific subtleties in mind of a specific driver's preferences. If they were capable of this, then every team would be capable of producing a top car every year. Nobody would be making a car with any kind of issues at all, cuz they'd just design the car to not have those characteristics. But obviously it never actually works like that.

Ferrari doesn't have any problem with drivers or who is or isn't getting prioritized. This seems like such a bizarre thing to be worrying about.

No, they wont design the car for a specific driver, but upgrades can definitely affect one driver more than the other. If one driver wants/needs a stronger turn in, the team might focus the front wing upgrades for this specifically. Some of the upgrades might affect the setup window making it more difficult for the other driver to set up the car to their liking. We've seen it here recently how an upgrade would benefit Sainz but make it more difficult for Leclerc to adapt, and vice versa. Last year at RB, as upgrades came in, Max got stronger and Sergio fell back. Driving styles may be subtle, but I'm sure when the team is deciding what "weakness" of the car to focus on, they are taking one or both of the drivers "style" into account.

From last year, Red Bull got trickier but faster but Max could handled it, Perez not. This is the way Red Bull can drag that car in the lead, if they would have listen to Perez, Lawson or Tsunoda the car would be slower and understeery. Confirmed by Wache, Newey and Horner and they always listen to that who drives it faster. When people are saying the car is built for Max, it's actually build for fast and talented drivers and other options would just be slower.

[SB15]

Exaggeration or not, they were slower. Where's the anger? Where's the frustration? Cmon guys, why are you guys not giving this team any accountability for their mishaps?

man, please shush alreeady, we are all clearly disapointed with this race. but what is this show anger and frustration thing? what the hell does that accomplice only make reading this form post more slug to get throw.

its a sport, not a political election. or some war... relax enjoy the week. atlist no race to Disapoint you this weekend lol

What you just did proved my point exactly. Enjoy the rest of the season.