Mercedes AMG F1 W03

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Hey guys, first of all.. congratulations on the 200+ pages speculation thread. I had a good laugh.

Also, I would like to point out that on this photo and on the one that was posted above, you can see two pipes coming out of the engine cover where the redbull has the '' cannon '' cooling outlet.


http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2396 ... 2fe120.jpg



That surely cant be exaust, are they piping the airflow from the rads to there?

Mestrades
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Brawn: "We have improved in all areas"
I think that HRT has improved in all areas too... :shock:

I'm not so optimistic. This 2 day tests have been dissapointing

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Mestrades wrote:Brawn: "We have improved in all areas"
I think that HRT has improved in all areas too... :shock:

I'm not so optimistic. This 2 day tests have been dissapointing
Why? Just because they are not on top of the timesheets?

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I think that there is still space for improvement as i think they will further refine the exit of those radiators as teams wouldn't want to see pipes stiching out from the engine cover

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Mestrades wrote:Brawn: "We have improved in all areas"
I think that HRT has improved in all areas too... :shock:

I'm not so optimistic. This 2 day tests have been dissapointing
How??? They did a 19 lap run with the Softs right?? That is another 2 seconds in the bag. There is no way they would use DRS for a 19 Lap run which brings in another full second. I reckon Mercedes have 3 Full Second in their hand atleast. Nico did a 1-24-5, I think Mercedes can easily do a 1-21,mid or high atleast which is Quite Good.

This is only their 2nd official day,I think we will see many changes,like we saw with the FW,I think we will see a different front wing,different Rear Wing probably & new exhausts. Plus they will understand & work on the car. Play with setups & improve the car.


W03 has been hugely positive so far. Ultimate pace means --- & last year clearly showed it. What matters is the LONG RUN PACE. And W03 had very good or atleast decent good Long Run Pace.

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kris wrote:
Mestrades wrote:Brawn: "We have improved in all areas"
I think that HRT has improved in all areas too... :shock:

I'm not so optimistic. This 2 day tests have been dissapointing
Why? Just because they are not on top of the timesheets?
No, for the problems that they are encountering

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What's happening with Rosberg today? Surely it can't be good if he's stuck in the pits for so long...Cooling issues - hydraulics or something even worse like a fundamental design flaw?
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kris wrote:
Mestrades wrote:Brawn: "We have improved in all areas"
I think that HRT has improved in all areas too... :shock:

I'm not so optimistic. This 2 day tests have been dissapointing
Why? Just because they are not on top of the timesheets?
I personally have been quite pleased with the times, two problems from two consecutive afternoons is more of the "dissapointment" i believe Mestrades is referring to. Merc didnt manage a single minute of running this afternoon, autosport currently trying to find out why. Anyone in the know?

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retpog55 wrote:
kris wrote:
Mestrades wrote:Brawn: "We have improved in all areas"
I think that HRT has improved in all areas too... :shock:

I'm not so optimistic. This 2 day tests have been dissapointing
Why? Just because they are not on top of the timesheets?
I personally have been quite pleased with the times, two problems from two consecutive afternoons is more of the "dissapointment" i believe Mestrades is referring to. Merc didnt manage a single minute of running this afternoon, autosport currently trying to find out why. Anyone in the know?
"We now know why the Mercedes has not done more in the afternoon. An oil leak at the transmission has slowed the Silver Arrow sustainable. Rosberg is now no longer go out. After the hydraulic loss the day before already the second major defect in the new Silver Arrow"- AMuS live Ticker

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kilcoo316 wrote:This I think will siphon off air much further up (vertically); probably through a hole ostentatiously used for starting the engine. However, since it is still increasing the effective exit area of the diffuser it will result in more air drawn under the car floor - which is the sole objective of the diffuser after the initial ramp.
Ah, using the starter hole as an inlet. Now that would be interesting. Is it possible in the rules???
3.12.7 ... An aperture for the purpose of allowing access for the device referred to in Article 5.16 is permitted in this surface ...
You have to wonder whether it would still be considered as an access to the starter if it was shaped / positioned like an inlet for this possible diffuser extension.
3.12.7 No bodywork which is visible from beneath the car and which lies between the rear wheel centre line and a point 350mm rearward of it may be more than 125mm above the reference plane....
It's really the most interesting take on the low diffuser regs anyway. I guess because of the above rule that section can't be part of the diffuser proper - it must be on top of it or the diffuser would be above the height restriction. Which makes me think that the starter hole might well be being put to the purpose of feeding it.

If not the starter hole, then what other inlet could be useful? Could it be a cooling outlet, like the Ferrari crash structure tunnel might be?

It is so close to the diffuser proper that you'd think it must have something to do with it. All the other teams mostly blank off this region to get some low pressure there, so why sacrifice that for cooling?
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That is the use of the testing! Guess how dissapointed most of us would be if they had such a leak in a race! Better get this problems now and resolve it instead of during the race.

AND 82 laps for the morning is not bad in my opinion and the pace wasnt that bad!

I'm optimistic :!:

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Pibe wrote: Also, I would like to point out that on this photo and on the one that was posted above, you can see two pipes coming out of the engine cover where the redbull has the '' cannon '' cooling outlet.


http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2396 ... 2fe120.jpg



That surely cant be exaust, are they piping the airflow from the rads to there?
I agree with you, there seem to be something there. They seem two pipes, but I see thay are slightly misaligned and asymmetrical (do not want to start over with symmetry, but that's how I see them).
The strange thing us that usually teams use moulded ducts to fit the shape they need. If it is not a reflection, it is very unusual
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@Horse

I think the starter hole is feeding it. We need to find a better picture of the diffuser.
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shelly wrote:
Pibe wrote: Also, I would like to point out that on this photo and on the one that was posted above, you can see two pipes coming out of the engine cover where the redbull has the '' cannon '' cooling outlet.


http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2396 ... 2fe120.jpg



That surely cant be exaust, are they piping the airflow from the rads to there?
I agree with you, there seem to be something there. They seem two pipes, but I see thay are slightly misaligned and asymmetrical (do not want to start over with symmetry, but that's how I see them).
The strange thing us that usually teams use moulded ducts to fit the shape they need. If it is not a reflection, it is very unusual

It looks like flexible duct squished in there.
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Does anyone know why Merc decided to go for a shorter width rear wing this year? This is the only car I remember seeing, where the full 20mm width is used right next to the wing planes. Usually, this area of the rear wing is as thin as possible, to maximise wing area