2016 Belgian Grand Prix - Fri 26 – Sun 28 Aug 2016

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Re: 2016 Belgian Grand Prix - Fri 26 – Sun 28 Aug 2016

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GPR-A wrote:
wesley123 wrote: which they did not.
Who tried that in the last stint?
It wass common knowledge that the supersofts didn't last very long
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GrizzleBoy wrote:As much as vet did squeeze, the more I look at it, the more I think Ves had no chance of making that corner cleanly.

Even if the other cars went wider, he was effectively on course for straightlining/divebombing the corner like he was doing at the end of the DRS straight where he kept pushing drivers off the track.

He would've had to park on the apex to make that turn, but we all know Max would've wanted to push through it.
He would have destroyed his wing either way ...

and i can hardly blame Vettel, before turning in he probably just sees Kimi behind him, he leaves enough room for one car on the inside, he can't anticipate the divebomb by the playstation kiddo

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Re: 2016 Belgian Grand Prix - Fri 26 – Sun 28 Aug 2016

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GPR-A wrote:
wesley123 wrote:
GPR-A wrote:Well, he was just 2 seconds behind Ricciardo when he pitted and Ricciardo was a further 7 seconds behind Nico. So, it was 31 Seconds to close down with 11 laps. On last stint, with 15-20 kg fuel, Lewis could have easily be faster by atleast 3-4 seconds on SuperSoft. Lewis himself told his engineer that it wasn't a good idea to bolt Mediums.
which they did not.
Who tried that in the last stint?
Nobody, which is the point. You are not going to get 11 laps of good performance out of the supersofts. 4 or 5 laps at most. He would probably have profitted from a fresh set of softs, but I'm not sure if he had one left.

No, Nico was clearly out of reach. It's not realistic to think Hamilton would have come close to him. For what it is worth, be glad he got that podium finish.
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Just_a_fan wrote:Vettel messed up his and Kimi's races. Max tried his best to get penalties for dodgy driving. Solid drive from the Mercedes drivers. Rosberg had it easy once the first turn incident took out Max and the Ferraris. Hamilton lucked in massively with the red flag. Both just then did what you would expect of them.
Max deserved at least 1 penalty if not 2 or 3.
Alonso should also get penalty for unsafe release and then Hulk should get penalty for weaving 3 times on following straight.

Hamilton did not luck in massively with red flag. He'd rather have a SC only so Rosberg and others did not get a free tire change (with red flag). Also, he'd rather the SC come a few laps later.
Hamilton tire strategy was poor. They should have kept the Mediums on probably, or went Soft and then mediums to the end (1 pit stop less in total). Ideally he would want to have started on Soft and get a free tire change with the red flag. Now that would have been a massive benefit. But Med Soft Soft Med was a mistake. Med Soft Med would have been better. Granted that with the SC that early, Soft Med Med was best, but...

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Re: 2016 Belgian Grand Prix - Fri 26 – Sun 28 Aug 2016

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CjC wrote:
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CjC wrote:Luckily for Mercedes' and Lewis' sake they have the data and common sense to put the right tyres on.
And where was that common sense in Monaco 2015 and Austria 2016, to quote a few? There are numerous other races since 2014 that proves, they do have idiots in their ranks.
Granted, so today they said we've effed up numerous races for Lewis so this race we will bolt the mediums on and not 'uck this race up
This is once again a Hungary 2015 case, where once again they bolted a slower tyre, while they clearly had option of bolting the faster tyre.

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Verstappen on Dutch TV: “I’d rather drive them off the track then let them go in front of me”
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turbof1 wrote:Nobody, which is the point.
If nobody, then it is still a question, not an answer.
turbof1 wrote:You are not going to get 11 laps of good performance out of the supersofts. 4 or 5 laps at most. He would probably have profitted from a fresh set of softs, but I'm not sure if he had one left.
He had 1 New Medium, 3 New Softs and 1 New SuperSoft. You never know if it was 4 or 5, because it never happened.

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CriXus wrote:Verstappen on Dutch TV: “I’d rather drive them off the track then let them go in front of me”
Did he really say that??? :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

This kid should not be in F1... :o
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CriXus wrote:Verstappen on Dutch TV: “I’d rather drive them off the track then let them go in front of me”
If it was Maldonado defending like this against kimi, pushing three drivers off track at the end of the DRS straight, divebombing into t1 and ruining the race for two ferraris, then go on TV and say hed rather ram cars, off track than let them pass, hed have been in prison by now. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 2016 Belgian Grand Prix - Fri 26 – Sun 28 Aug 2016

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Fernando be's da man yo!
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Goran2812 wrote:
CriXus wrote:Verstappen on Dutch TV: “I’d rather drive them off the track then let them go in front of me”
Did he really say that??? :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

This kid should not be in F1... :o
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GPR-A wrote:
turbof1 wrote:Nobody, which is the point.
If nobody, then it is still a question, not an answer.
turbof1 wrote:You are not going to get 11 laps of good performance out of the supersofts. 4 or 5 laps at most. He would probably have profitted from a fresh set of softs, but I'm not sure if he had one left.
He had 1 New Medium, 3 New Softs and 1 New SuperSoft. You never know if it was 4 or 5, because it never happened.
Wow he really had new Softs and they chose Meds?
Why?
I mean I agree that SuperSofts were too great a gamble (maybe they go off a cliff in last laps and he gets screwed) but why not Softs?
Anyway, I think he should have gone Soft Med Med or Med Soft Med and not Med Soft Soft Med. Mercedes did not need 4 tires for that race...

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sosic2121 wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:Drive of the day for me is Alonso. 7th from the back in that tug boat is great stuff. Sure, the incidents helped him massively but he held on at the end when being chased by faster cars.

Vettel messed up his and Kimi's races. Max tried his best to get penalties for dodgy driving. Solid drive from the Mercedes drivers. Rosberg had it easy once the first turn incident took out Max and the Ferraris. Hamilton lucked in massively with the red flag. Both just then did what you would expect of them.
You said it all.
So correct but I don't understand why Max is never being investigated.

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GPR-A wrote:
turbof1 wrote:Nobody, which is the point.
If nobody, then it is still a question, not an answer.
turbof1 wrote:You are not going to get 11 laps of good performance out of the supersofts. 4 or 5 laps at most. He would probably have profitted from a fresh set of softs, but I'm not sure if he had one left.
He had 1 New Medium, 3 New Softs and 1 New SuperSoft. You never know if it was 4 or 5, because it never happened.
Mercedes brought only two or one supersofts. He might have a one fresh soft but soft didn't show any better pace than mediums. Mediums were the only tires to push every lap

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ismail1991 wrote:
GPR-A wrote:
turbof1 wrote:Nobody, which is the point.
If nobody, then it is still a question, not an answer.
turbof1 wrote:You are not going to get 11 laps of good performance out of the supersofts. 4 or 5 laps at most. He would probably have profitted from a fresh set of softs, but I'm not sure if he had one left.
He had 1 New Medium, 3 New Softs and 1 New SuperSoft. You never know if it was 4 or 5, because it never happened.
Mercedes brought only two or one supersofts. He might have a one fresh soft but soft didn't show any better pace than mediums. Mediums were the only tires to push every lap
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