2016 Belgian Grand Prix - Fri 26 – Sun 28 Aug 2016

[WaikeCU]

...he did NOT divebomb into the corner

Verstappen knows what he did; he just thinks it's acceptable...

“The start wasn’t great,” Verstappen told reporters after the race. “I dived up in the inside and locked a wheel so I was easily making the corner but they just kept squeezing me.”

It's textbook divebombing if a driver's velocity at corner entry is such that he cannot maintain complete control of his car.

Arriving at the corner ≠ making the corner.

Exactly.

I lost a lot of respect to Max already and the majority of his fanbase who basically think nobody is right except Max.

A lot of them say these things could happen because he's still 18, but if a lot of them say this, then that means he's not ready to race with the other F1 drivers due to his inexperience. You can be a fast driver, but if you cause dangerous circumstances, then you are simply not ready. Romain Grosjean can tell.

I haven't heard Kimi complain like that before, but if there's a driver that has spatial awareness and knows how to race closely, it has to be Kimi.

It certainly doesn't help if Max then tells Dutch television that he would rather run both Ferrari's off than let them past.

[NL_Fer]

The problem is the moves Max made this weekend are questionable, but have been allowed for years by the stewards. Taking the corner slowly closing to the outside after the apex has been Hamilton's trick several times. Blocking on the straight, Kimi should have expected a blocking move, and should have tricked him with a ghost manouvre, than passing he other side.

Still i agree on people that Max showed some frustrated driving after the broken wing. Maybe he knew the race was fakced by the broken floor, but he should have kept his cool. And yes he need to mature up about these things and don't become a hothead like his father.

[TAG]

The problem is the moves Max made this weekend are questionable, but have been allowed for years by the stewards. Taking the corner slowly closing to the outside after the apex has been Hamilton's trick several times.

You have the right words here, just not in the right order. Yes the moves Max made are questionable but he's been allowed to do it, on that we agree.

Taking the corner slowly closing to the outside after the apex has been a racing tactic and used by drivers in all sorts of mortorsports, it's clean hard racing.

[TwanV]

It certainly doesn't help if Max then tells Dutch television that he would rather run both Ferrari's off than let them past.

Let's not take this Hunt-ish bravour-comment literally, although it's not the most tactical way to behave after a race like that, nobody runs anyone off the road deliberately at 350kmh. I support VES and I was kind of depressed after yesterday's race. First corner is a race incident, but still very unwise to try to make that corner and ruin a top 3.. And the blocking move on the straight is just dangerous, I can see why RAI was upset. It might be ok within the rule book, but the speed differences due to DRS make this sort of stuff not-done. In iRacing I would report him .. but this is real-life. I assume VES was thoroughly dissapointed with how his race developed, being the reason for his foul post-race mood, but I think an apology will come to RAI at least this week.

[XRayF1]

... Blocking on the straight, Kimi should have expected a blocking move, and should have tricked him with a ghost manouvre, than passing he other side.

Still i agree on people that Max showed some frustrated driving after the broken wing. Maybe he knew the race was fakced by the broken floor, but he should have kept his cool. And yes he need to mature up about these things and don't become a hothead like his father.

Problem is not Max being frustrated as such, but that he was/is not only endangering himself, but also others on the track.

Being prepared for a blocking move ... from where I was sitting, it seemed to me that on the Kamel straight Kimi made his move and only then Max made his (actually allowed) change of lane. Right into Kimi's overtake path.
Kimi could not have avoided an accident other than he did - lifting.
For me, this was intentionally endangering both drivers.

Having said for me the real scandal is not Max and his driving style for one, but that no penalty was given to him by the stewards. It is one thing to let the drivers a little bit more leeway, but to let one driver do that invites others to follow suit.
And this may get out of hands real quick.
On and off the track.

Even Gutiérrez was penalized during practice, for something which may (a very far away 'may') be seen as being unintentional - compared to what Max did yesterday.
Max move was everything but NOT unintentional.

[cooken]

First corner: Most definitely a racing incident. Are people forgetting Max was on the SS and had quite a bit more grip than the others on S? He never once looked out of control here.

Kemmel Blocking: There is absolutely no room for this. Forget about written rules, forget about penalties, it is simply irresponsible and reckless. His attitude post-race is rather worrying. One is reminded of a certain Russian driver who displayed a very similar attitude after some risky maneuvers. Didn't take long for it to catch up to him did it?

[Andres125sx]

F1fanatic show Vettel only used Soft tires.... is that correct?

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/08/28/2 ... pit-stops/

[Moanlower]

I too found it amazing that not even an investigation was triggered, in none of the incidents. The stewards must have been enjoying a great 2-hour nap.

Me too, but not too surprised really. It's obvious to me that politics has a lot to do with it, on being selective whether punishing a driver will 'harm' the popularity of F1 or not. The same main reason why they've put VES in a car this early. Yes, he's a great talent, but pushing VES into F1 this early has mostly to do with F1 being in a crisis at that time and approved by Bernie to say the least.

[Samraj_official]

I too found it amazing that not even an investigation was triggered, in none of the incidents. The stewards must have been enjoying a great 2-hour nap.

Me too, but not too surprised really. It's obvious to me that politics has a lot to do with it, on being selective whether punishing a driver will 'harm' the popularity of F1 or not. The same main reason why they've put VES in a car this early. Yes, he's a great talent, but pushing VES into F1 this early has mostly to do with F1 being in a crisis at that time and approved by Bernie to say the least.

If FIA start to favour a driver then it has no limits...Vettel has dodged punishment more times than any driver...

[thisisatest]

F1fanatic show Vettel only used Soft tires.... is that correct?

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/08/28/2 ... pit-stops/

Last stint was on mediums, according to Pirelli.

[giantfan10]

So basically the argument is that max prevented kimi from taking avoiding action when vettel drove across his line.

I'm sorry but the car causing the other to take avoiding action has to be at fault.

The catalyst for the entire event was more on Vettel than Max,that being said Max was a maor contributor to the incident.
Vettel wrongly assumed that the only 2 cars contesting the first corner was him and kimi, with that in mind his move was well above par since kimi would have had about a cars width on the inside to tighten up his corner radius.
where it all went wrong was when Max dove to the curb in an attempt to pass Kimi taking a line that would have left him a sitting duck with no momentum on corner exit..
Kimi was an unwilling passenger in the entire incident.
I cant fault Vettel for assuming that max would use his head instead of putting his car in a situation with no possible positive outcome from it.
i think max had a lousy start and was trying to make it all back up at the first corner

[turbof1]

So basically the argument is that max prevented kimi from taking avoiding action when vettel drove across his line.

I'm sorry but the car causing the other to take avoiding action has to be at fault.

where it all went wrong was when Max dove to the curb in an attempt to pass Kimi taking a line that would have left him a sitting duck with no momentum on corner exit..

And then any clash would have been on Verstappen. However, since Vettel hit Raikkonen before Verstappen lost momentum or went wide, I feel that's atleast partly void. What if Verstappen was not there, would Vettel have pushed Raikkonen into the wall?

What Max probably could have done is stay away from the curb and taken a wider line into the corner. He had a lot more space here for a wider entry:



If he did however, Vettel would have pushed Raikkonen earlier into Verstappen. And in this what-if case Verstappen could have got some momentum going of the corner.

In hindsight, Verstappen could have taken the corner better -as he would either have cut completely across the track to keep momentum or lost all momentum. That is correct criticism. But in the end he did not cause that accident. That is still Vettel's fault.

[Fifty]

And yet no one is mentioning his corner fly off at eau rouge and two more corners... Because of an "end plate"...

It is simply this: Under pressure Max drives extremely dangerous. Under pressure his talent limit drops and he then tries to drive even faster. The problem is normal speed under pressure is already above his limit. He is too immature emotionally to realize this and practice stress inoculation. He continues on in his PlayStation driving which causes him to be out of control. This is an extreme danger to the other drivers.

He needs a time out. He will reconsider and come back a much better driver. Even Kvyat is driving better after the break once he figured out what his slap was for.

[Jef Patat]

How many people do you want to see dead each year? Would most of the field dying make it more exciting for you? Or would only one or two be enough? Is it only drivers or would you prefer to see cars flipping at high speeds and bouncing into marshals as well?

I have a better suggestion. Stop racing altogether. That would save all of them for you. OR Better have Robots drive, just like "REAL STEEL". No one will die. That would be more fun.

Some people simply make mountain hill of a mole.

To Bhall and you... a better picture of Kimi showcasing the skills of HARD RACING "AS YOU UNDERSTAND".
https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-we ... medium.jpg

You do remember the circumstances of that incident and the behavior of the drivers afterwards do you?
To remind you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ztUaWWbamg

[Starscreamer]

while first corner was 100% racing incident, verstapen should have known that he has less than 50% chance to keep his front wing, and yet he made his move.
That's not skill, that's being reckless and having no respect for the team. Well, if he earned his place, he would respect it a lot more.
Almost every race he makes some stupid move, and yet only thing we hear about are his "skills".
If you want to see rookie with skills and potential to become truly great, take a look at Vandoorn during his FIRST race. Such shame his daddy isn't able to get him a seat.

Vandoorn
GP2 champion in a field of allmost none talent drivers.

I love Verstappen drive style. Best in years! No sleeping robot driver. Please pass me with DRS seems to be normal these days