2016 Belgian Grand Prix - Fri 26 – Sun 28 Aug 2016

[Edax]

I still don't understand how in the world he thought he could make this work...

Me neither. I think without Vettel they would likely have made the corner OK but Verstappen would always loose out on traction due to his compromised exit.

But consider the alternative. If the Ferrari's would have passed they most likely have ended up on the podium and RB would head to the Ferrari capital being behind on points.

There is always a balance between risk and reward. In this case the move was risky and had a relatively low chance of an actual pass but the reward was pretty big.

After all Verstappen has been brought in halfway the season with one single assignment and that is to get RB in front of the Ferrari's in the WCC. That is the only thing they can realistically aim for.

So I think the team fully expects him to take some extra risk when there is a red car around.

[Just_a_fan]

I'll leave it for others to judge.

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Max and Kimi were at basically the same speed going in to the apex. Max wasn't dive bombing at all. Without Vettel's chop across Kimi, Kimi and Max would have made it around the corner. Vettel's chop was the cause of the incident.

An experienced driver such as Vettel should know that T1 of any race is likely to have cars running next to each other with little room for manoeuvre. He's having a go at Max but he knows full well what he did was wrong. Vettel, like Schumacher, is a big fan of the chop and on Sunday it bit him back.

If Max hadn't been a prat later in the race trying to run Kimi on to the grass etc., no one would be too worried about the T1 incident. They're now focussing on it as an example of him being a bad driver or whatever. Without Vettel's chop, Kimi and Max wouldn't have hit and people would be crowing about a great recovery move from Max.

Still, at least it makes a difference from people arguing about the Mercedes drivers...

[strad]

Max was in a totally correct position until the Ferraris decided to push him off. Both deserve severe penalties.
Max on Kimi? I have watched over and over and don't see what all the fuss is about.

[giantfan10]

Max was in a totally correct position until the Ferraris decided to push him off. Both deserve severe penalties.
Max on Kimi? I have watched over and over and don't see what all the fuss is about.

You must know nothing about F1 if u think max was in a totally correct position....lets say for arguements sake all 3 cars made the corner..... Max would have been the third car in that group just like he was going into the corner... he had ZERO to gain by sticking his nose in there and was better served focusing on getting a good corner exit and slipstreaming down the straight for an easy pass.your bias is clouding your vision if your position is max did nothing wrong.
SMH

[Edax]

Max was in a totally correct position until the Ferraris decided to push him off. Both deserve severe penalties.
Max on Kimi? I have watched over and over and don't see what all the fuss is about.

You must know nothing about F1 if u think max was in a totally correct position....lets say for arguements sake all 3 cars made the corner..... Max would have been the third car in that group just like he was going into the corner... he had ZERO to gain by sticking his nose in there and was better served focusing on getting a good corner exit and slipstreaming down the straight for an easy pass.your bias is clouding your vision if your position is max did nothing wrong.
SMH

Actually it looks like Max was marginally ahead of Vettel going into the corner.

[Zynerji]

...with no hope of making it stick or keeping the position...

[bhall II]

Now that I know Verstappen didn't lock-up a front wheel on corner entry, it's easier for me to understand why someone might characterize the whole thing as a racing incident.

That said, the kid's (overly) ambitious tactics certainly didn't do anyone any favors, and Sergio Perez wouldn't necessarily be out of line if he were to claim that Verstappen's double move toward the inside constituted illegal blocking...



Anyway, I found this bit amusing...

I mean what is he doing? It's dangerous. I'm riding over 300kph and he's blocking me.

(that error from f1fanatic made the whole sentence quite weird: "I locked up the wheel so I easily could make the corner".)

This forum has desensitized me to bizarre English.

[Nathanael F1]

Who was VES referring to in that quote from FP2?

[Fifty]

I just realized that this first corner is the reverse of all of the following Max/Kimi corners.

So in this first corner Max expects Kimi to yield, because he is coming from behind and Max has picked his line....
But in the later race, Max says that Kimi should have to give up the line because Max is in front and he therefore owns it...

So max is blaming kimi for what max does on 90% of his shoddy blocking/defense moves...


So which is it kid? Is the corner the lead cars or not? Can you close the door or not? He can't have it both ways!

[Nathanael F1]

I just realized that this first corner is the reverse of all of the following Max/Kimi corners.

So in this first corner Max expects Kimi to yield, because he is coming from behind and Max has picked his line....
But in the later race, Max says that Kimi should have to give up the line because Max is in front and he therefore owns it...

So max is blaming kimi for what max does on 90% of his shoddy blocking/defense moves...


So which is it kid? Is the corner the lead cars or not? Can you close the door or not? He can't have it both ways!

Good point.

[djos]

I still don't understand how in the world he thought he could make this work...

I assume you are talking about Vettel trying to make the apex despite two cars already being there? Reminds me of Vettel trying to drive through Webber in Turkey a few years ago!

Im no Max fan, but the first corner incident fault lies entirely on Vettel. That said the petulant child behaviour of Max during the race was utterly abhorrent, he and Kimi are very lucky not to have had a 300+ kph crash with the dangerous late weaving!

[Restomaniac]

Max was in a totally correct position until the Ferraris decided to push him off. Both deserve severe penalties.
Max on Kimi? I have watched over and over and don't see what all the fuss is about.

For that to work Ves has to almost stop. Vet and Ric would need to dive out of the way thus taking very strange lines so their speeds would be seriously down. All the while the rest of the field come banging into turn 1.

Result? Utter carnage, all so moronic Max can get a place back that he had lost due to his own crap start.

[giantfan10]

I still don't understand how in the world he thought he could make this work...

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I assume you are talking about Vettel trying to make the apex despite two cars already being there? Reminds me of Vettel trying to drive through Webber in Turkey a few years ago!

Im no Max fan, but the first corner incident fault lies entirely on Vettel. That said the petulant child behaviour of Max during the race was utterly abhorrent, he and Kimi are very lucky not to have had a 300+ kph crash with the dangerous late weaving!

Yes Vettel was the one that started the chain reaction but he was entirely justified in doing what he did based on his explanation for why he did it.

"Just looking at it, it was a very bold move [from Verstappen] trying to recover those two places in one corner diving down the inside, and that obviously was the reason why Kimi couldn't turn in and follow the lead that I was dictating as the leading car of that group.
The problem is you can't fit three cars in that corner and the inside one is able to trigger trouble to the outside and I think that's what Kimi and myself suffered from."

[djos]

Kimi was paying attention and clearly changed his line to accommodate the move by max, Vettel assumed Kimi had beamed himself off the circuit.

Fault lies with Vettel and no-one else.

[carisi2k]

Since Seb hit Kimi first. I would suggest that the incident was Sebs fault. I feel that Seb would have hit Kimi even if Max wasn't down the inside. Max should maybe have shown some caution and stayed out of the way instead of going for a small gap. Some people may say this is similar to Kyvats move in China but I would call BS on that. Kyvat had a gap that you could park a tank in. Max did not.