Marussia MR01 Cosworth

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Marussia MR01 Cosworth

Post by beelsebob » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:06 pm

I'd like to start this thread with blatant rumor and speculation. A little birdie told me that McLaren went a bit further selling data to Marusia than they did to Force India, and that their 2012 car would look an awful lot like the 2011 McLaren. Do we have anything that can back this up or refute it?
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Re: Marusia MR-03

Post by Petroltorque » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:38 pm

That would be in direct contravention to the concorde agreement. I'm sure the teams would challenge their car.

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Re: Marusia MR-03

Post by beelsebob » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:41 pm

Petroltorque wrote:That would be in direct contravention to the concorde agreement. I'm sure the teams would challenge their car.
Note – I didn't say identical, I said very very similar. I've not seen the wording of the concorde agreement, but I can imagine that selling a lot of aero data on which shapes work well would be well within the rules, even though saying "our car looked like this, do this" would clearly not be.

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Re: Marusia MR-03

Post by ESPImperium » Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:34 pm

Ive heard rumors that are pretty much simmilar, but what the aggreement was is for arround 120 McLaren engineers and technicians to come into the team and help with design and installations. This is to swell the Marussia staffing levels from arround their current level of 145 to 265, whitch is arround the optimal for a team of this size. Team Lotus/Caterham are at 245 and are looking to expand to arround 275 ideally. Hispania have arround 160 guys at present accross 3 bases in Cologne and Brackley.

Virgin/Marussia were to also get to use the McLaren simulator a day a week and also have unlimited useage of the Driver Wellness suite, and more McLaren software than you can shake a stick at, altho the software is about 2 step revisions behind. Not to mention the fact that Marussia use the McLaren tunnel the 40% of the time that McLaren dont use their tunnel, but that means they keep well within the RRA, but they loose certain points of the CFD facility.

I can immagine that McLaren have given Marussia alot of help in the design side of things, id not be surprised if Marussia dont have a Mclaren style front wing next year and a good few other aero simmilarities.

I think its a good deal for the sport as it means that we get another one of the 2010 new breed faster, Lotus/Team Lotus/Caterham have did traditional way, Virgin/Marussia are doing it diffrently. This is what should have happened in 2010 when it was apparent that the new guys wernt fast enough quick enough. The larger teams should have given them their redundant resource to get higher up the grid.

If F1 can finish next year with 24 cars coovered by arround 3 to 4 seconds, it will be in a good enough place. Its still about the ideal place for me of 24 cars covered by as little as 1.5 to 2 seconds, where F1 was in 2008/2009.

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Re: Marusia MR-03

Post by miqi23 » Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:39 pm

Marussia racing has a technical partnership with Mclaren racing and from what I know it involves Mclaren teaching Marussia how to design fast cars aerodynamically. In return, Marussia will teach Mclaren how to do CFD their way.

Marussia use the Mclaren wind tunnel so I do not see why Mclaren have not disclosed most of the good stuff!

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Re: Marusia MR-03

Post by Petroltorque » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:16 pm

This is a can of worms. We've already had teams questioning the amount of technical cooperation allowed between teams.

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Re: Marusia MR-03

Post by raymondu999 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:08 am

Don't forget that next year Pat Symonds will be working for them full time (IIRC). If they were getting that level of cooperation, he would be able to capitalise.
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Re: Marusia MR-03

Post by aleks_ader » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:07 am

miqi23 wrote:Marussia racing has a technical partnership with Mclaren racing and from what I know it involves Mclaren teaching Marussia how to design fast cars aerodynamically. In return, Marussia will teach Mclaren how to do CFD their way.

Marussia use the Mclaren wind tunnel so I do not see why Mclaren have not disclosed most of the good stuff!
Hmm maybe Mclaren searching s test "bunny" team? All sort colaborations are good for teams developmend...
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Re: Marussia MR-03

Post by Javert » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:42 pm

It makes me sense that McLaren could donate 120 people with no regrets :mrgreen:
Even if they are the worst ones or the ones which failed (the ones which thought the Octopus for example :mrgreen:)

Financial crisis for McL or are they getting new blood?

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Re: Marussia MR-03

Post by wesley123 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:48 pm

With the RRA I believe McLaren had to let go employees anyway, so why not send them to Virgin?
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Re: Marussia MR-03

Post by aleks_ader » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:52 pm

Javert wrote: Financial crisis for McL or are they getting new blood?
How do you actually mean with this? As i now Mclaren alredy reinforced his own company financial source! They make totaly new factory, they produce own products. So Mclaren brand step in the new dimension!
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Re: Marussia MR-03

Post by raymondu999 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:46 pm

I really wasn't sure where else I could have posted this - but yeah.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KkY0IWeE2I[/youtube]
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Re: Marussia MR-03

Post by Tozza Mazza » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:32 pm

raymondu999 wrote:I really wasn't sure where else I could have posted this - but yeah.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KkY0IWeE2I[youtube]
Low dash bulkheads, a feature I expect to see on all 2012 cars, to avoid the horrific aero killing noses many seem to think we are getting in 2012 (WE'RE NOT!)
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Re: Marussia MR-03

Post by raymondu999 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:35 pm

Tozza - what are you referring to with "aero killing" noses?
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Re: Marussia MR-03

Post by Tozza Mazza » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:51 pm

raymondu999 wrote:Tozza - what are you referring to with "aero killing" noses?
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Scarbs' design, here, whilst conforming to the regulations, is far less efficient than a current 2011 nose, due to having a much larger surface area at the front (more draggy), and the underside is quite 'messy'

Here is my design, it's simpler, legal, and should be better (I can't verify that though!), although by the looks of it, Virgin have done what I have.

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EDIT: Note that where it says 1800mm, that figure should be 925mm. 1800mm is the length of the whole survival cell (excluding fuel tank and roll hoop).