WilliamsF1 co-founder - Patrick Head calls it a day

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WilliamsF1 co-founder - Patrick Head calls it a day

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Head ending F1 involvement:
Apparently, he is going to turn his attention towards hybrid power...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/11/2 ... S920111128

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Thank God. More cobwebs out of the Williams Garage.
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A long overdue.
He had a brillian carreer, but he had to call it a day back in '00s.

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n smikle wrote:Thank God. More cobwebs out of the Williams Garage.
I find this lack of respect from younger folk about the people who have made the sport what it is today in very bad taste, and am just saying so.
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Sadly missed as he was the powerhouse when i started watching F1 in 92/93 and has been at the forefront of many great F1 cars. Hopefully he will make Williams Hybrid a powerful arm of Williams in the future.

He stayed on a few more years too long, and in my opinion moved over in 2008 and passed the torch to some new blood in the sport. Williams have been on the decline since 2004/2005 and i think the move to new blood now is gonna take 2-3 years, but i think it will be eventually done. He was a bit overpowering and controling in his ways of design, but i think that is a quality for success, and has done well when with the right people arround him. Whitch i think is where Williams isnt the greatest in resource, they dont have the right resource in the brain power department, hopefully this will change under Coughlan and Gillian.

I wish him all the best in his future endevours.

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Giblet wrote:..the people who have made the sport what it is today..
F1 doesn't wait for glories long past. I guess being reduced to the levels of Lotus, HRT and Virgin was the only signal loud enough. (Mentioning something about age and hearing here, now that would be disrespectful. :p)

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Giblet wrote:
n smikle wrote:Thank God. More cobwebs out of the Williams Garage.
I find this lack of respect from younger folk about the people who have made the sport what it is today in very bad taste, and am just saying so.
I couldn't agree more!

Patrick Head has played a big role in building Formula One, most particurly a team that has made its name by racing, and only by racing.

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Saribro wrote:
Giblet wrote:..the people who have made the sport what it is today..
F1 doesn't wait for glories long past. I guess being reduced to the levels of Lotus, HRT and Virgin was the only signal loud enough. (Mentioning something about age and hearing here, now that would be disrespectful. :p)
Of course not, but its not a reason to be disrespectful, I feel that is straightforward. Not a big deal.

He and Frank have kept the team alive when it seemed certain they would fold. The time when BMW and them stopped seeing eye to eye was very inconsistent. They then got on with Toyota, and the Williams was topping a lot of Friday's with Nico. They were running light but the car had some single lap pace and things were starting to look promising. Things looked like they had a future, then Toyota dropped out and they were without an engine supplier again.

To top it off, they had excellent sponsorship from a major international bank, and then they had virtually no sponsors as they world collapsed financially. RBS left them at the same time as Toyota then everyone else followed suit.

If you look at how they have been falling off since then, its been about money. Making EBD's, f-ducts, double diffusers, and flexible wings effective is an expensive job. Their new transmission is awesome. It is so small it looks ridiculous. 2012 the cars are going to be without an EDB, so back to tiny waist lines again at the rear. Smaller the better, and Williams will have one of the smallest.

Now he walks away leaving the team in some new hands with a possible bright future. He high-fived Renault on the way out the door just like the old days and thanked them for the new engine contract.

Those extra few tenths Barichello is always short this year will be gained and their position will improve on engine power and driveability alone.

All teams have bad spells for varios reasons.

84-98 for Ferrari netted not a single Constructors Championship. 14 dry years. Williams is dry since 1997. Strangely also 14 years since Villeneuve took the last one for Williams.

You can never count out a racer, and Williams are racers through and through.
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As I've had a role in exactly zero F1 World Championships, I'll confine my comments to wishing Mr. Head well in his future endeavors.

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Giblet wrote:
n smikle wrote:Thank God. More cobwebs out of the Williams Garage.
I find this lack of respect from younger folk about the people who have made the sport what it is today in very bad taste, and am just saying so.
I do respect him as a man, I do. He reminds me of myself sometimes. Even before Mclaren and Hamilton, I was mostly a Williams fan as they had the BMW engines back then.
I have a softspot for Williams And and quite frankly, I think they need a shake up in their structure.
I am tired of all these false promises and underachievemnt year in year out.


I have always said,
here on F1 tech, that Head
is the Head
of all their troubles.
And Heads must roll - and so Head
has to HEAD OUT!!
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Giblet wrote:
Saribro wrote:
Giblet wrote:..the people who have made the sport what it is today..
F1 doesn't wait for glories long past. I guess being reduced to the levels of Lotus, HRT and Virgin was the only signal loud enough. (Mentioning something about age and hearing here, now that would be disrespectful. :p)
Of course not, but its not a reason to be disrespectful, I feel that is straightforward. Not a big deal.

He and Frank have kept the team alive when it seemed certain they would fold. The time when BMW and them stopped seeing eye to eye was very inconsistent. They then got on with Toyota, and the Williams was topping a lot of Friday's with Nico. They were running light but the car had some single lap pace and things were starting to look promising. Things looked like they had a future, then Toyota dropped out and they were without an engine supplier again.

To top it off, they had excellent sponsorship from a major international bank, and then they had virtually no sponsors as they world collapsed financially. RBS left them at the same time as Toyota then everyone else followed suit.

If you look at how they have been falling off since then, its been about money. Making EBD's, f-ducts, double diffusers, and flexible wings effective is an expensive job. Their new transmission is awesome. It is so small it looks ridiculous. 2012 the cars are going to be without an EDB, so back to tiny waist lines again at the rear. Smaller the better, and Williams will have one of the smallest.

Now he walks away leaving the team in some new hands with a possible bright future. He high-fived Renault on the way out the door just like the old days and thanked them for the new engine contract.

Those extra few tenths Barichello is always short this year will be gained and their position will improve on engine power and driveability alone.

All teams have bad spells for varios reasons.

84-98 for Ferrari netted not a single Constructors Championship. 14 dry years. Williams is dry since 1997. Strangely also 14 years since Villeneuve took the last one for Williams.

You can never count out a racer, and Williams are racers through and through.
I meant no disrespect.
God Bless Patrick for all the work he has done to keep Williams alive.

BUT...

Williams just had their worst season in history.
And I think it's only fair to give the young guns a swing of the bat. Just look at how well it is working at RedBull, Force India, Sauber and Renault.
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n smikle wrote:[well it is working at RedBull, Force India, Sauber and Renault.
You mean at RedBull/Renault, Force India/Mercedes engines, Sauber/Ferrari engines and Renault, well they are just Renault engines now.

That Cosworth IMO is the main reason they lack raw pace. It doesn't do anything particularly well.
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Not before time. Him poking his nose into other peoples' jobs over the past ten or fifteen years has been a big part of Williams's decline. Unless funding comes in next season though, and not from Sutil or PDVSA, I can't see anything other than the end in a couple of seasons.

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Giblet wrote:
n smikle wrote:Thank God. More cobwebs out of the Williams Garage.
I find this lack of respect from younger folk about the people who have made the sport what it is today in very bad taste, and am just saying so.
Head was one of the reasons why Williams are in constant decline for the last 13 years. Whenever they found strong partners or brilliant technical people Head managed to piss them off. It started with Newey and found its cataclysmic show down with BMW. If Frank had pushed out Head in the nineties Williams would still be a top team instead of an eternal mid fielder with a brief interuptions by the BMW shot in the arm. Thats the way I see it and I bet I'm not far off the mark.
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Giblet wrote:
n smikle wrote:Thank God. More cobwebs out of the Williams Garage.
I find this lack of respect from younger folk about the people who have made the sport what it is today in very bad taste, and am just saying so.
Bad taste it may be, Head has been holding the team back in the last decade. In the ultra competitive world of F1, two decades of excellence followed by a decade of mediocrity will get you fired.