true, but when they hit the fence, with high forces, normally the engine is still usable (they also can only use a couple of engines per season).
yes you're right, in my mind they are into the walls more then I thought, guess my mind is still in old styleHoffman900 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:08 pmI don’t think you really understand what I am saying or what is happening in a 51g + impact.
MotoGP bikes rarely if ever see anywhere near that gforce. If they do, they usually rupture the tank and burn up, in addition to be entirely destroyed.
Also, MotoGP bikes see at most half the g forces a F1 car sees on tracks.
If someone can point me to a 51g bike impact where the engine was salvageable, then please share. “High forces” tells me nothing.
The issue with the block flexing is they are strong in the planes that the car puts forces into it while racing. Not a sideways / backwards 51g + shunt.
It isn’t.
I mean, because it's designed to be a stressed member, and not as in a road car, mounted in rubber.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:31 pmIt isn’t.
The forces are very well controlled in the direction they are designed to handle, hard to say in a hit.
As I said, hits can be a crap shoot. I’ve seem cars go into the wall and something like the rear differential is fine, the same car with a hard bump draft breaks the ears off the rear diff.
Gearbox can be replaced without penalty if you DNF. It's the main reason you'll see teams who are out of the points randomly retire cars with few laps to go with no apparent issues.AMG.Tzan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:31 pmI can't really think that after a 51G crash everything has has survived!
The engine can survive the crash but still what about the rest of the Power Unit (most notably MGU-K and maybe Battery Pack) and even the gearbox! I haven't heard anything about the gearbox tbh! What do you think?? Has it survived??
Anyone knows if Vinales engine survived that crash on Red Bull ring? He commented that he was worried about the engine, but I don't know what happened with it later.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:08 pmI don’t think you really understand what I am saying or what is happening in a 51g + impact.
MotoGP bikes rarely if ever see anywhere near that gforce. If they do, they usually rupture the tank and burn up, in addition to be entirely destroyed.
Also, MotoGP bikes see at most half the g forces a F1 car sees on tracks.
If someone can point me to a 51g bike impact where the engine was salvageable, then please share. “High forces” tells me nothing.
The issue with the block flexing is they are strong in the planes that the car puts forces into it while racing. Not a sideways / backwards 51g + shunt.