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mkay wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 16:08
astracrazy wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 12:30
Looks quiet shallow to me, I don't think its as big as it looks comparing it against the picture above it.
But AoA appears to be much steeper than pretty much every other team...
Comparison between Merc, Ferrari and RB's rear wings...

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Remember that Merc runs flatter with less rake compared to Ferrari and Red Bull. This naturally cancels out the difference in AoA, as more rake will naturally increase the AoA.

Fact is that Ferrari and RBR run shallower wings but with much bigger rake their AoA is increased, while Mercedes' rake is so low they need their wings deeper to generate more DF.

So I wouldn't look much into it, they're pretty much the same on general DF level.
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F1Krof wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 18:35
Remember that Merc runs flatter with less rake compared to Ferrari and Red Bull. This naturally cancels out the difference in AoA, as more rake will naturally increase the AoA.

Fact is that Ferrari and RBR run shallower wings but with much bigger rake their AoA is increased, while Mercedes' rake is so low they need their wings deeper to generate more DF.

So I wouldn't look much into it, they're pretty much the same on general DF level.
Point is, with these rear wings they'll carry more drag relative to their rivals compared to times when everyone has their maximum DF wings bolted on.... Also, your comment seems to suggest that the W10 is a relatively low downforce car just because of it's low rear ride height, which is definitely not true.
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The difference in rake between Mercedes and the other two is less than one degree...
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The car angle differences are minor compared the actual difference on the wing there.

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digitalrurouni wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 17:38
zibby43 wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 17:33
Merc introducing their Spec 3 PU at Spa for both the works and customer teams.

https://twitter.com/albertfabrega/statu ... 51330?s=21
Oh wow! Right in time for Spa and Monza. Wonder what they are bringing to the table. Outright increase in horsepower OR better ERS deployment/recovery?
All good questions.

And another fuel upgrade from Petronas.

https://twitter.com/somersf1/status/116 ... 73632?s=21

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F1Krof wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 18:35
Remember that Merc runs flatter with less rake compared to Ferrari and Red Bull. This naturally cancels out the difference in AoA, as more rake will naturally increase the AoA.

Fact is that Ferrari and RBR run shallower wings but with much bigger rake their AoA is increased, while Mercedes' rake is so low they need their wings deeper to generate more DF.

So I wouldn't look much into it, they're pretty much the same on general DF level.
As Just a Fan says the difference in rake is tiny, 0.77 degree according to MaxF1. And the Merc has a gurney flap on in that pic as well, so I don't see how we can say the downforce is the same. And FP is all about trying different stuff anyway. But perhaps Mercedes like the numbers from their new engine... 8)

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mkay wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 17:39
Comparison between Merc, Ferrari and RB's rear wings...
https://preview.redd.it/ooxfj2p2cej31.j ... 24c3d4f660


This picture is a little decieving though, RB is running a flatter wing, but between Merc and Ferrari the difference is much less. The Merc wing has a deeper scallop or concave area but the leading edge and the trailing edge of the wing (flap) is very close.
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izzy wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 20:03
F1Krof wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 18:35
Remember that Merc runs flatter with less rake compared to Ferrari and Red Bull. This naturally cancels out the difference in AoA, as more rake will naturally increase the AoA.

Fact is that Ferrari and RBR run shallower wings but with much bigger rake their AoA is increased, while Mercedes' rake is so low they need their wings deeper to generate more DF.

So I wouldn't look much into it, they're pretty much the same on general DF level.
As Just a Fan says the difference in rake is tiny, 0.77 degree according to MaxF1. And the Merc has a gurney flap on in that pic as well, so I don't see how we can say the downforce is the same. And FP is all about trying different stuff anyway. But perhaps Mercedes like the numbers from their new engine... 8)
DF levels are 'the same'. Not to the point, but relative to their aero configuration. Just because you see deeper wings does not necessarily mean more DF. I'm just saying that the aero configurations are so complex we cannot deduce anything just by looking wing angles. It works differently on different cars.
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F1Krof wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 23:45
Just because you see deeper wings does not necessarily mean more DF.
A deeper wing will mean more drag. Why run more drag unless it brings with it more downforce? Or are Mercedes running a parachute rear wing to give everyone else a chance to catch up? :lol:
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F1Krof wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 23:45

DF levels are 'the same'. Not to the point, but relative to their aero configuration. Just because you see deeper wings does not necessarily mean more DF. I'm just saying that the aero configurations are so complex we cannot deduce anything just by looking wing angles. It works differently on different cars.
It's cool but the rear wings are a reasonable indication for what they're going to try first, we see them change from circuit to circuit, and the gurney flap means the trailing edge is getting close to vertical as that's when they need it, to keep the flow attached.

And the Red Bull one is obviously flatter, so it's worth a little speculate, while we're waiting :) Only a couple of hours to some data...

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Different T-wing on the car for today
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Mercedes have gone for less downforce now
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