Alfa Romeo C41

A place to discuss the characteristics of the cars in Formula One, both current as well as historical. Laptimes, driver worshipping and team chatter do not belong here.
HungarianRacer
HungarianRacer
35
Joined: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:26 am

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

stan_french wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:34 pm
Mansell89 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:31 pm
Thinner nose this year- indicative of something we may expect to see from the Ferrari works team?
no, i wouldnt think so, if anything it means that they're expecting the engine not to be super powerful. Because the narrow nose works best at lower speeds, whilst the large nose works best at high speeds, and is usually prone to stalling at lower speeds...
That's a ridiculous line of logic.... How much would an - in F1 terms - "weak" engine offset the operating window of a car within it's aero efficiency curve? Will it significantly lower top speed/approach velocity to high speed corners? Will horsepower deficiency on it's own make a car worse in low-medium speed turns? I don't think so...
Last edited by HungarianRacer on Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:07 pm, edited 4 times in total.

User avatar
Morteza
2308
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:23 pm
Location: Bushehr, Iran

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

Holm86 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:57 pm
Nose is quite unique, looks like the cape is starting already from the tip
Image

Image
Via @AuRupteur
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."~William Shakespeare

User avatar
Holm86
247
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:37 am
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

Morteza wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:00 pm
Holm86 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:57 pm
Nose is quite unique, looks like the cape is starting already from the tip
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu0-X_5XYAI ... name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu09k0xXIAI ... ame=medium
Via @AuRupteur
Very interesting design

User avatar
Morteza
2308
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:23 pm
Location: Bushehr, Iran

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

Image

Image
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."~William Shakespeare

User avatar
Xero
32
Joined: Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:11 pm
Location: Moray, Scotland

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

Nose looks really interesting! Also curious about the positioning and aggressiveness of the front wing main plain curves. Car looks very neat and quirky, very Sauber.

Sevach
Sevach
1077
Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:00 pm

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

The nose reminds me of Mclaren circa 2018 (i think).

Good looking car.

ryaan2904
ryaan2904
36
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:45 am

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

Xwang wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:54 pm
ryaan2904 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:47 pm
Xwang wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:45 pm


Isn't Alfa using the same updated gearbox and suspension of Ferrari? If so they have used their tokens in that area like Ferrari.
No, one of the two guys even said that they used both their tokens on the front and that the gearbox is the same
So Alfa is going to use last year Ferrari gearbox and internal rear suspension. Did I understood correctly?
Yea i guess
CFD Eyes of Sauron

User avatar
Zynerji
110
Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:14 pm

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

The nose has some cat-fish whiskers that obviously generate vortex.

I'm very surprised that we haven't seen more of that if it was legal?🤔

And if using Ferrari 2020 rear suspension, are they able to update pieces/dampers so it doesn't get "squishy" at temperature?

billamend
billamend
15
Joined: Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:45 pm

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

Sevach wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:07 pm
The nose reminds me of Mclaren circa 2018 (i think).

Good looking car.
Seems like a mix between Mclaren and Red Bull.

Image
Image

User avatar
Holm86
247
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:37 am
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

Zynerji wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:09 pm
The nose has some cat-fish whiskers that obviously generate vortex.

I'm very surprised that we haven't seen more of that if it was legal?🤔

And if using Ferrari 2020 rear suspension, are they able to update pieces/dampers so it doesn't get "squishy" at temperature?
My bet is, it could be because its more draggy than previous concepts, but creates a more powerful vortex.
This might have been a better trade off this year, to seal the diffuser with the new floor.

User avatar
PlatinumZealot
558
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:45 am

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

Mansell89 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:31 pm
Thinner nose this year- indicative of something we may expect to see from the Ferrari works team?
I got blugeoned over the head for exploring that in the speculation thread, so I'm curious as well.
🖐️✌️☝️👀👌✍️🐎🏆🙏

Racing Green in 2028

User avatar
Morteza
2308
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:23 pm
Location: Bushehr, Iran

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

Image

Image

Image
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."~William Shakespeare

wowgr8
wowgr8
29
Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:35 pm

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

Mansell89 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:31 pm
Thinner nose this year- indicative of something we may expect to see from the Ferrari works team?
Alfa don't follow Ferrari aero concepts and vice versa, they're totally different cars. If it was Haas maybe but even then, why would Ferrari copy one of its customers like that? It happens the other way around

Schippke
Schippke
12
Joined: Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:00 am
Location: Australia

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

You'd have to think Tokens well spent in this case, especially when you look at the amount of detailing on the front nose; Nice job Sauber Romeo. :P

I'm quietly confident for these guys this year; I still reckon a big part of their lack of pace last year was down to the engine and having to compromise the car setup as a result of it... so if they (like Ferrari and Haas) have more power at their disposal, then I reckon they're in with a good chance at joining the mid-field battle proper.

stan_french
stan_french
1
Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:58 pm

Re: Alfa Romeo C41

Post

HungarianRacer wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:00 pm
stan_french wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:34 pm
Mansell89 wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:31 pm
Thinner nose this year- indicative of something we may expect to see from the Ferrari works team?
no, i wouldnt think so, if anything it means that they're expecting the engine not to be super powerful. Because the narrow nose works best at lower speeds, whilst the large nose works best at high speeds, and is usually prone to stalling at lower speeds...
That's a ridiculous line of logic.... How much would an - in F1 terms - "weak" engine offset the operating window of a car within it's aero efficiency curve? Will it significantly lower top speed/approach velocity to high speed corners? Will horsepower deficiency on it's own make a car worse in low-medium speed turns? I don't think so...
There's a great little thing from reddit i highly recommend you read, i think it shed's more light in my line of thinking:

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/co ... ame=iossmf

But basically it explains that a car's aero development can be limited by the engine to a certain degree. especially when the aero is made for ever increasing horsepower. And notably the larger nose is said to help cars in higher speed, however it is also more prone to stalling at lower speeds than the narrower nose. What I'm trying to say is that i think the reason they went down the narrow nose path was because they do not have anymore the Ferrari horsepower advantage which greatly helped their nose concept in accelerating the air to the bargeboard. So in order to better suit the car to the engine, they decided to focus on something which the slightly underpowered engine could better help with, which is with the narrower nose, and thus helping their car work better at slightly slower speeds, and reducing the proneness of the nose to stalling.