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Going through this topic and other ones for that matter these past 2 days has been a roller coaster of emotions lol, from Friday where some started saying Merc has solved all of these issues and ready to win races to today where everyone is saying the car is a complete write off. Keep calm, we have a race day coming and Barcelona aswell. If they arent competitive in Barcelona even wih a new floor then you can really start to say the season is lookong likely to be lost. Lets be calm for a moment.

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3.15.4 Front Wing Flap Flexibility
Any part of the trailing edge of any front wing flap may deflect no more than 5mm, when measured along the loading axis, when a 60N point load is applied normal to the flap

This is in the regulations.
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Ok so this is for 60N load. So in essence if the flap is seeing more than that we can expect more than 5mm and be within the technical regs. And even at speed those flaps do not seem to be deflecting more than 10mm anyway.
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ringo wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 8:22 am
Ok so this is for 60N load. So in essence if the flap is seeing more than that we can expect more than 5mm and be within the technical regs. And even at speed those flaps do not seem to be deflecting more than 10mm anyway.
60N is roughly 6 kg. The real load under driving is already more when going over 30kmh or so. As always it is a useless test, which has little relevance to the real situation the test is developed for.

And the deflecting shown yesterday on the Mercedes was a lot over 10mm, maybe even double that.

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Bomber_Pilot wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 8:12 pm
Nothing to see here :)
chrisc90 wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 8:22 pm
That'll get stopped in no time i'd imagine. Surprised they get away with it.
siskue2005 wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 8:23 pm
It has been the same since their first barcleona test.
Its the same with ferrari and redbull front wings.
matteosc wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 11:58 pm
It would be interesting to see a comparison. [...]
GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 12:20 am
It isnt new though its been like this since they launched the car, it isnt part of the wing upgrade.
PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 2:45 am
The Ferrari does that too, people just aren't looking!
In the order of quotes:
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Link: viewtopic.php?p=1044613#p1044613

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RZS10 wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 9:24 am
Bomber_Pilot wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 8:12 pm
Nothing to see here :)
chrisc90 wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 8:22 pm
That'll get stopped in no time i'd imagine. Surprised they get away with it.
siskue2005 wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 8:23 pm
It has been the same since their first barcleona test.
Its the same with ferrari and redbull front wings.
matteosc wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 11:58 pm
It would be interesting to see a comparison. [...]
GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 12:20 am
It isnt new though its been like this since they launched the car, it isnt part of the wing upgrade.
PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 2:45 am
The Ferrari does that too, people just aren't looking!
In the order of quotes:
-yep
-nope
-correct
-check link
-correct
-i looked
Link: viewtopic.php?p=1044613#p1044613
Nice link , the bloody things have to flex at some point otherwise they would just snap at some point.

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ringo wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 8:22 am
Ok so this is for 60N load. So in essence if the flap is seeing more than that we can expect more than 5mm and be within the technical regs. And even at speed those flaps do not seem to be deflecting more than 10mm anyway.
Can I copy/paste this into the rear wing flex thread from last year (or is it still too soon?)??
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They are flexing like this because the adjustment fixture only operates at one end of the flap. The teams have two choices, basically.
Those teams that are utilising paired adjustable flaps will have to either place the adjustment mechanism at the highest load point to maintain some rigidity; whereas those using a single adjustable flap can locate the mechanism to gain the maximum from the allowed flex test load.
Nobody seems to be adjusting the whole flap from within the nose structure.
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Piola drawing some pornography, apparently there's a small detail right at the edge of the wing.

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I wonder how that sneaks past the regs on a couple of counts

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Just the usual regular reminder.
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what are the chances of seeing bulkier sidepods from Bacelona? 60% 70% 80%? And start to redisign towards 2023?

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GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 9:59 pm
Looks like George possibly put a little more downforce on the car as he was bouncing wayyy more than Lewis, even in some corners it seems that made the car lose traction.
Nope! He tends to set up his car more towards qualy with a quicker warm-up phase than HAM (which is btw worse for the tyre management in the race), hence he just went over the optimal soft tyre windows overcooking the rear ones, hence he was sliding more at the rear and having no grip for the front tyres in order to attack the corners ... in contrast, with the low temps at Imola it worked out perfectly for him and not for HAM...
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Redragon wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 12:40 pm
what are the chances of seeing bulkier sidepods from Bacelona? 60% 70% 80%? And start to redisign towards 2023?
I really dont find the sidepods have much to do with it.
But i do beleive a sidepod like ferrari that generates downforce could be a path to take that allows them to run smaller wings and lift the car a little.
However if the can improve the stability of the ground effect with floor upgrades they can have their cake and eat it with the zero sidepods.
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