Red Bull RB18

[Big Tea]

According to Red Bull it could be a fuel pump issue on both cars. Interesting since the fuel pump is now an FIA standard part.

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Wonder if there will be other pump failures on other cars. Wasnt Charles saying he had issues on last lap? (from what someone posted on here)

He was winding his engineer up.

[shamyakovic]

According to Red Bull it could be a fuel pump issue on both cars. Interesting since the fuel pump is now an FIA standard part.

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I suspect it might have overheated when the tank was no longer full of fuel to cool it.

Wonder if the FIA will step in and sort issues with pumps.

They will if it is effecting all cars

[chrisc90]

I suspect it might have overheated when the tank was no longer full of fuel to cool it.

Wonder if the FIA will step in and sort issues with pumps.

They will if it is effecting all cars

Hopefully FIA and Magnetti Marelli will have a look at the rest of the grids pumps with a decent investigation into how the pumps faired/deteriorated over the course of Quali and the race.

Does anyone know if the issues with the pumps that were evident during testing was isolated to the Honda PU's?

[shamyakovic]

Wonder if the FIA will step in and sort issues with pumps.

They will if it is effecting all cars

Hopefully FIA and Magnetti Marelli will have a look at the rest of the grids pumps with a decent investigation into how the pumps faired/deteriorated over the course of Quali and the race.

Does anyone know if the issues with the pumps that were evident during testing was isolated to the Honda PU's?

None reported by other team, although its early days

[NtsParadize]

Wonder if the FIA will step in and sort issues with pumps.

They will if it is effecting all cars

Hopefully FIA and Magnetti Marelli will have a look at the rest of the grids pumps with a decent investigation into how the pumps faired/deteriorated over the course of Quali and the race.

Does anyone know if the issues with the pumps that were evident during testing was isolated to the Honda PU's?

According to AMuS, the majority of the teams had fuel pump issues during testing, which is why none of them managed to complete a full GP distance in 1 stint

[chrisc90]

They will if it is effecting all cars

Hopefully FIA and Magnetti Marelli will have a look at the rest of the grids pumps with a decent investigation into how the pumps faired/deteriorated over the course of Quali and the race.

Does anyone know if the issues with the pumps that were evident during testing was isolated to the Honda PU's?

According to AMuS, the majority of the teams had fuel pump issues during testing, which is why none of them managed to complete a full GP distance in 1 stint

It seems strange for them to make a standard part for everyone in my opinion. Give teams the freedom to design their own. Ultimately, fuel flow is governed strongly by 2 flow sensors, so leaving that area open for manipulation (fuel pump) is next to no chance of happening.

If teams are bringing their own blends of fuel to races, which I guess can be make up of differing chemicals subject to FIA approval, then unless the pump manufacturer are testing each of the teams fuels for reliability in their pumps then its not going to work....Unless fuel was standardised too....Which I cant really see an reason for it not to be off the top of my head.

[Watto]

Without trying to sound facetious, what experience are you basing your opinion on?

It's all based on the ellipse.

What's that?
Car is clearly unreliable. So is Alpha Tauri. Systems packaging could be too tight. Maybe with moving the electronics outside of the side pods, they do'nt get as much cooling as they need?

AMuS reporting the issue was widespread in testing, something about the E10 fuel eating away at the resin in the tanks causing issues, where were RB effected more? Who knows.

[Watto]

Hopefully FIA and Magnetti Marelli will have a look at the rest of the grids pumps with a decent investigation into how the pumps faired/deteriorated over the course of Quali and the race.

Does anyone know if the issues with the pumps that were evident during testing was isolated to the Honda PU's?

According to AMuS, the majority of the teams had fuel pump issues during testing, which is why none of them managed to complete a full GP distance in 1 stint

It seems strange for them to make a standard part for everyone in my opinion. Give teams the freedom to design their own. Ultimately, fuel flow is governed strongly by 2 flow sensors, so leaving that area open for manipulation (fuel pump) is next to no chance of happening.

If teams are bringing their own blends of fuel to races, which I guess can be make up of differing chemicals subject to FIA approval, then unless the pump manufacturer are testing each of the teams fuels for reliability in their pumps then its not going to work....Unless fuel was standardised too....Which I cant really see an reason for it not to be off the top of my head.

Cost saving measure was the readon given

[AR3-GP]

It's all based on the ellipse.

What's that?
Car is clearly unreliable. So is Alpha Tauri. Systems packaging could be too tight. Maybe with moving the electronics outside of the side pods, they do'nt get as much cooling as they need?

AMuS reporting the issue was widespread in testing, something about the E10 fuel eating away at the resin in the tanks causing issues, where were RB effected more? Who knows.

Everyone uses different fuels with additives. It's possible.

[Watto]

What's that?
Car is clearly unreliable. So is Alpha Tauri. Systems packaging could be too tight. Maybe with moving the electronics outside of the side pods, they do'nt get as much cooling as they need?

AMuS reporting the issue was widespread in testing, something about the E10 fuel eating away at the resin in the tanks causing issues, where were RB effected more? Who knows.

Everyone uses different fuels with additives. It's possible.

Yeah what would seem a likely candidate. All had issues to varying degrees, but maybe the Honda and mobil fuel caused issues Wait and see a little longer through the season I guess.

[Timtim99]

It's all based on the ellipse.

What's that?
Car is clearly unreliable. So is Alpha Tauri. Systems packaging could be too tight. Maybe with moving the electronics outside of the side pods, they do'nt get as much cooling as they need?

AMuS reporting the issue was widespread in testing, something about the E10 fuel eating away at the resin in the tanks causing issues, where were RB effected more? Who knows.

If the fuel pump caused Alpha Tauri car fire will they be allowed extra engine, If their engine was affected by the fire ?

[Hoffman900]

What's that?
Car is clearly unreliable. So is Alpha Tauri. Systems packaging could be too tight. Maybe with moving the electronics outside of the side pods, they do'nt get as much cooling as they need?

AMuS reporting the issue was widespread in testing, something about the E10 fuel eating away at the resin in the tanks causing issues, where were RB effected more? Who knows.

If the fuel pump caused Alpha Tauri car fire will they be allowed extra engine, If their engine was affected by the fire ?

Likely not because the spec pumps are the lift pumps in the fuel tanks. The camshaft driven injector pump is the PU manufacturer’s design.

[Timtim99]

AMuS reporting the issue was widespread in testing, something about the E10 fuel eating away at the resin in the tanks causing issues, where were RB effected more? Who knows.

If the fuel pump caused Alpha Tauri car fire will they be allowed extra engine, If their engine was affected by the fire ?

Likely not because the spec pumps are the lift pumps in the fuel tanks. The camshaft driven injector pump is the PU manufacturer’s design.

Thank for clarifying

[Dee]

So a couple of things

1. If RB are three tenths down but are still overweight by 10kg, is this the quickest way of equalising the difference?

2. RB seemed to have a massive advantage on the straights, should they not have put on more downforce for the corners?

3. Can Honda increase the acceleration performance through MGU-K and the electronics before they are frozen in September?

4. Max said he didn't have the same feeling in the car during FP2 on long runs vs today on long runs so hopefully performance can still be found?

[Hoffman900]

If the fuel pump caused Alpha Tauri car fire will they be allowed extra engine, If their engine was affected by the fire ?

Likely not because the spec pumps are the lift pumps in the fuel tanks. The camshaft driven injector pump is the PU manufacturer’s design.

Thank for clarifying

Even then, I don’t think there is precedence. I can remember conditions in a NASCAR race falling outside parameters the spec NASCAR Truck series Ilmor engine was tuned by Ilmor for. A bunch blew up and there was no way to compensate as a lot of others didn’t, and that’s not fair to them.

Luck of the draw and the other teams would be quick to band together and shoot it down since it only happened to RBR powered cars.