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EU now says Nuclear is "green".

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Didn't see that coming after systematically shutting them down for years... πŸ™„

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/0 ... en-energy/

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It is very green energy and we should have switched to nuclear a long time ago.

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McL-H wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:43 pm
It is very green energy and we should have switched to nuclear a long time ago.
+1
It's greener then a green peace :lol:

It's our only option. Hydro is limited, wind and sun are basically a scam. But this is BIG surprise.

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Just need them to wake up about these electric cars being 'green' now.
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McL-H wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:43 pm
It is very green energy and we should have switched to nuclear a long time ago.
Yeah they should have a long time ago. Now it is just to expensive to build a plant from scratch and I doubt it will ever reach the end if it’s predicted service life.

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Disgusting. I perfectly understand that we will need them (gas and nuclear) as a transition, and nuclear probably for a long time, but calling them green is outright lying. It's hiding reality from the people and giving companies excuses to continue in the old polluting ways.

And solar and wind are certainly not a scam, but also not 100% green at the moment.

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Isn't "green" really just shorthand for "low CO2 producing" rather than "able to create a utopian world where everyone is vegan and the bunnies are fluffy".

Nuke is "green" in terms of its in-use pollution generation, especially CO2. Not so "green" during the build phase or during decommissioning, of course. It's also jolly safe in terms of lives lost.
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Green means for eligible for EU subsidies. That is like taking money from hard working EU citizens and give it away to multinational Gas and Power companies.

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Just_a_fan wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:37 pm
Isn't "green" really just shorthand for "low CO2 producing" rather than "able to create a utopian world where everyone is vegan and the bunnies are fluffy".

Nuke is "green" in terms of its in-use pollution generation, especially CO2. Not so "green" during the build phase or during decommissioning, of course. It's also jolly safe in terms of lives lost.
Nuclear is about 4% of energy production now, fossil is 80%. I have some doubts that a 20 fold increase in nuclear is desirable.

But pointing out the problems is easy, solving them is the challenge.

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NL_Fer wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:58 pm
Green means for eligible for EU subsidies. That is like taking money from hard working EU citizens and give it away to multinational Gas and Power companies.
Yes. But yeah, otherwise they give it to farmers.

I'd rather see fair, pollution-including prices on fossil fuels, and no structural subsidies on alternatives (development subsidies is something else, but conventional nuclear is mature tech). Let the market sort that out; if the pollution-pricing is fair, wind and solar should be properly competitive in most cases. Not sure if nuclear is considered feasible then, due to the high construction costs.

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DChemTech wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:19 pm
NL_Fer wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:58 pm
Green means for eligible for EU subsidies. That is like taking money from hard working EU citizens and give it away to multinational Gas and Power companies.
Yes. But yeah, otherwise they give it to farmers.

I'd rather see fair, pollution-including prices on fossil fuels, and no structural subsidies on alternatives (development subsidies is something else, but conventional nuclear is mature tech). Let the market sort that out; if the pollution-pricing is fair, wind and solar should be properly competitive in most cases. Not sure if nuclear is considered feasible then, due to the high construction costs.
Actually, weird as it may sound, fossil fuels are still subsidized. (By about 300 billion in 2017 according to the IMF.... https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... as/589000/)

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Modular Nuclear will be the future if fuels are every exhausted, and nuclear winters become a thing so it's important for manking to get practicing!
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Russia is now placing troops, tanks, artillery ON the Zaporizhia Nuclear power plant terrain. So they have a free firing base that nobody can touch.

It is a consideration when building these things. They are vulnerable in war time.

A few years ago I thought war in developed countries was just economical not feasible anymore. But apparently war is still always an option.
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Sieper wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:09 pm
Russia is now placing troops, tanks, artillery ON the Zaporizhia Nuclear power plant terrain. So they have a free firing base that nobody can touch.

It is a consideration when building these things. They are vulnerable in war time.

A few years ago I thought war in developed countries was just economical not feasible anymore. But apparently war is still always an option.
You forgot contagieus diseases. Last 2 years have showed us everything is possible.
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sosic2121 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:52 pm
McL-H wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:43 pm
It is very green energy and we should have switched to nuclear a long time ago.
+1
It's greener then a green peace :lol:

It's our only option. Hydro is limited, wind and sun are basically a scam. But this is BIG surprise.
Isnt there only for about 100 years of nuclear material for use in plants? So it is just a stop gap measure, but not much more.
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