Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by pimpwerx » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:36 am

Don't the swan necks also flex more, or in a more-desirable way under load, allowing slightly more aggressive wing angle,because it will be offset by the swan neck bowing a bit under load, on the straights?

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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by atanatizante » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:02 am

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This slit on the floor is new? They finally followed what Macca was first done for increasing the vortexes at the end of the car?
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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by roon » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:27 pm

Seems like they should rotate their wastegate support tabs 90*, but I'm sure they have their reasons. Also the crankcase breather is visible in that first photo. The carbon pipe below the left wastgate pipe.

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Is that a downwash wing in between the two swan neck mounts? Right where the mounts change from smooth black to a carbon weave.
May not necessarily be downwash through that region; more 'neutral,' as a flow straightener/conditioner, in-line with the downward flow present at the front lip of the rear wing. And it's primary function may be as a structural member. Also, might the color change imply that the top half of the supports is painted metal, the lower half CF?

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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by subcritical71 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:27 pm

roon wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:27 pm
Seems like they should rotate their wastegate support tabs 90*, but I'm sure they have their reasons. Also the crankcase breather is visible in that first photo. The carbon pipe below the left wastgate pipe.

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jh199 wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:39 am
https://imgr3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 191202.jpg

Is that a downwash wing in between the two swan neck mounts? Right where the mounts change from smooth black to a carbon weave.
May not necessarily be downwash through that region; more 'neutral,' as a flow straightener/conditioner, in-line with the downward flow present at the front lip of the rear wing. And it's primary function may be as a structural member. Also, might the color change imply that the top half of the supports is painted metal, the lower half CF?
Is that the FIA mandated engine mic under the left wastegate pipe?

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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by jh199 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:55 am

May not necessarily be downwash through that region; more 'neutral,' as a flow straightener/conditioner, in-line with the downward flow present at the front lip of the rear wing. And it's primary function may be as a structural member. Also, might the color change imply that the top half of the supports is painted metal, the lower half CF?
I wouldn't think that Mercedes would go out of their way to paint the upper half of the supports for livery reasons. So I agree, it must be a different material. But why would that be? Any forces traveling from the wing into the chassis will still need to pass through the carbon so this change must not be for structural reasons. Could the top half be made of a more flexible material that will allow the wing to flex a bit?

Is that the FIA mandated engine mic under the left wastegate pipe?
Do you mean the small circular device with a bunch of small openings in it towards the bend in the wastegate pipe? Yea, I believe that is the mic you're talking about. Mercedes was experimenting with the mic location earlier in the season and this is the general location they tested. This must just be the final resting spot for it.

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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by cplchanb » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:58 pm

Looks like they reverted back to old spec support for the race. Are they intending to introduce it next race and are just getting it signed off by the fia this weekend?

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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by Sierra117 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:40 pm

I saw Haas running the double swan. Have they always had it? Only noticed it today.

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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by Just_a_fan » Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:44 pm

subcritical71 wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:27 pm

Is that the FIA mandated engine mic under the left wastegate pipe?
The tube? That's the crank case breather that must now vent at the rear of the car.
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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by subcritical71 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:26 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:44 pm
subcritical71 wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:27 pm

Is that the FIA mandated engine mic under the left wastegate pipe?
The tube? That's the crank case breather that must now vent at the rear of the car.
Sorry I wasn't clear... as jh199 mentioned, the device that is just under the last bend of the wastegate pipe. So it's just under the first few cm's of the horizontal section of the wastegate pipe.

I also saw the same device in a slightly different location on the Toro Rosso (under the main exhaust outlet), so it must be the mic.

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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:54 pm

cplchanb wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:58 pm
Looks like they reverted back to old spec support for the race. Are they intending to introduce it next race and are just getting it signed off by the fia this weekend?
The double-pylon setup was only on the max downforce spec wing, not the lower downforce "spoon" wing, which is the wing that was used today.

I imagine Mercedes is aiming to use the new max downforce spec wing with the double-pylon setup in Suzuka.

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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by PlatinumZealot » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:51 pm

Interesting set up on the rear brake inlet. It is much bigger than before. Seems they are combining that with the new brake drums to blow them harder to heat the tyres more. More air from the brakes is surely a hotter thing for the wheels!
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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by djones » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:15 am

I wonder if Hamilton will take an engine penalty at the next race?

Oil leaks during the weekend and hesitation in the race.

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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by dren » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:57 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:51 pm
Interesting set up on the rear brake inlet. It is much bigger than before. Seems they are combining that with the new brake drums to blow them harder to heat the tyres more. More air from the brakes is surely a hotter thing for the wheels!
Wouldn't more air dissipate more heat from both?
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Re: Mercedes AMG F1 W09 EQ Power+

Post by Just_a_fan » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:15 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:51 pm
Interesting set up on the rear brake inlet. It is much bigger than before. Seems they are combining that with the new brake drums to blow them harder to heat the tyres more. More air from the brakes is surely a hotter thing for the wheels!
I think it's generally accepted that they are cooling the rear tyres, not heating them.
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