Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:32 pm

At the 2020 tire test, the "triple element" barge board arrangement is back:

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That disappeared in Germany in exchange for the "Venetian blinds" setup. At first, I figured it was just an older spec of car, but this car has the new RW, new engine cover, etc.

Interesting.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by HungarianRacer » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:42 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:32 pm
At the 2020 tire test, the "triple element" barge board arrangement is back:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EERDHp2XoAA ... =4096x4096

That disappeared in Germany in exchange for the "Venetian blinds" setup. At first, I figured it was just an older spec of car, but this car has the new RW, new engine cover, etc.

Interesting.
It's not just the "barge boards" (or "aero fence" flanking the sidepod), the mirrors and the sidepods themselves are also previous spec (look at the carbon extension that connects the aero fence to the pod).

Also, are we completely sure it's not the pre-Germany cooling package with the old engine cover?.... The flow correctors are also gone from the top of the halo, which are usually included with their high downforce package... Curious...

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Phlumbert » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:30 am

Is this new?

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:23 am

Phlumbert wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:30 am
Is this new?

https://i.imgur.com/prcapvq.jpg
See my post on the previous page (quoted below) - It was an evolution of the low-drag RW trialed earlier in the year at Baku. On the Monza version, there were two serrated components on the RW, as opposed to just one.

zibby43 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:34 pm
This is definitely new: *double* serration going on - serrated edge on the main plane and on the back of the flap.

via AMuS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDx4hLxWwAY ... ame=medium

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:26 am

HungarianRacer wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:42 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:32 pm
At the 2020 tire test, the "triple element" barge board arrangement is back:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EERDHp2XoAA ... =4096x4096

That disappeared in Germany in exchange for the "Venetian blinds" setup. At first, I figured it was just an older spec of car, but this car has the new RW, new engine cover, etc.

Interesting.
It's not just the "barge boards" (or "aero fence" flanking the sidepod), the mirrors and the sidepods themselves are also previous spec (look at the carbon extension that connects the aero fence to the pod).

Also, are we completely sure it's not the pre-Germany cooling package with the old engine cover?.... The flow correctors are also gone from the top of the halo, which are usually included with their high downforce package... Curious...
I can only see one prominent bulge in the engine cover, which was a noticeable feature on the new engine cover. Lighting/angle isn't perfect in this photo.

Could you point out/demonstrate the new side pod shape you're referring to? I've seen that mentioned a few times recently, but there have been no direct or side-by-side comparisons.

Yes, the halo winglets are gone - they were removed for both Monza and Spa. You'd think those would have to return for Singapore.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Phlumbert » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:49 am

zibby43 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:23 am
Phlumbert wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:30 am
Is this new?

https://i.imgur.com/prcapvq.jpg
See my post on the previous page (quoted below) - It was an evolution of the low-drag RW trialed earlier in the year at Baku. On the Monza version, there were two serrated components on the RW, as opposed to just one.

I mean inside the yellow circle :P

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by arahman_93 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:46 am

Phlumbert wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:49 am
zibby43 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:23 am
Phlumbert wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:30 am
Is this new?

https://i.imgur.com/prcapvq.jpg
See my post on the previous page (quoted below) - It was an evolution of the low-drag RW trialed earlier in the year at Baku. On the Monza version, there were two serrated components on the RW, as opposed to just one.

I mean inside the yellow circle :P
The rear brake fins i think they are called, im sure ive seen them on the car before but recently unless my eyes were playing up :lol: and for a second i thought they looked like the 2021 reg but maybe an image of the car in parcferme for spa/monza might shed light on this.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by HungarianRacer » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:18 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:26 am
HungarianRacer wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:42 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:32 pm
At the 2020 tire test, the "triple element" barge board arrangement is back:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EERDHp2XoAA ... =4096x4096

That disappeared in Germany in exchange for the "Venetian blinds" setup. At first, I figured it was just an older spec of car, but this car has the new RW, new engine cover, etc.

Interesting.
It's not just the "barge boards" (or "aero fence" flanking the sidepod), the mirrors and the sidepods themselves are also previous spec (look at the carbon extension that connects the aero fence to the pod).

Also, are we completely sure it's not the pre-Germany cooling package with the old engine cover?.... The flow correctors are also gone from the top of the halo, which are usually included with their high downforce package... Curious...
I can only see one prominent bulge in the engine cover, which was a noticeable feature on the new engine cover. Lighting/angle isn't perfect in this photo.

Could you point out/demonstrate the new side pod shape you're referring to? I've seen that mentioned a few times recently, but there have been no direct or side-by-side comparisons.

Yes, the halo winglets are gone - they were removed for both Monza and Spa. You'd think those would have to return for Singapore.
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:29 pm

HungarianRacer wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:18 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:26 am
HungarianRacer wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:42 pm


It's not just the "barge boards" (or "aero fence" flanking the sidepod), the mirrors and the sidepods themselves are also previous spec (look at the carbon extension that connects the aero fence to the pod).

Also, are we completely sure it's not the pre-Germany cooling package with the old engine cover?.... The flow correctors are also gone from the top of the halo, which are usually included with their high downforce package... Curious...
I can only see one prominent bulge in the engine cover, which was a noticeable feature on the new engine cover. Lighting/angle isn't perfect in this photo.

Could you point out/demonstrate the new side pod shape you're referring to? I've seen that mentioned a few times recently, but there have been no direct or side-by-side comparisons.

Yes, the halo winglets are gone - they were removed for both Monza and Spa. You'd think those would have to return for Singapore.
https://i.imgur.com/kG562bu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RgymYdv.jpg
Oh, you're talking about the side pod flow conditioners/furniture, as opposed to the side pod architecture itself.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by HungarianRacer » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:35 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:29 pm
HungarianRacer wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:18 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:26 am


I can only see one prominent bulge in the engine cover, which was a noticeable feature on the new engine cover. Lighting/angle isn't perfect in this photo.

Could you point out/demonstrate the new side pod shape you're referring to? I've seen that mentioned a few times recently, but there have been no direct or side-by-side comparisons.

Yes, the halo winglets are gone - they were removed for both Monza and Spa. You'd think those would have to return for Singapore.
https://i.imgur.com/kG562bu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RgymYdv.jpg
Oh, you're talking about the side pod flow conditioners/furniture, as opposed to the side pod architecture itself.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEWrf_oWwAA ... =4096x4096
Well, since those unpainted carbon extensions on the German aero pack are also sticking out at different heights than before, I'd think the panels which they are part of are also sculpted slightly differently.... After Germany there were some reports that claimed increased sidepod inlets aswell, but as far I can tell, they are the exact same on both specs.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:03 pm

HungarianRacer wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:35 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:29 pm
Oh, you're talking about the side pod flow conditioners/furniture, as opposed to the side pod architecture itself.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEWrf_oWwAA ... =4096x4096
Well, since those unpainted carbon extensions on the German aero pack are also sticking out at different heights than before, I'd think the panels which they are part of are also sculpted slightly differently.... After Germany there were some reports that claimed increased sidepod inlets aswell, but as far I can tell, they are the exact same on both specs.
Yep, that's what I was alluding to before. I agree that there had to be some changes to accommodate the new flow conditioner orientation, but I was curious as to whether there actually was a fundamental change with respect to the size/shape of the inlets themselves.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:22 pm

Article from Mark Hughes on how Mercedes started skewing their setup heavily toward race pace because they had such a large pace advantage.

Red Bull's performances in Silverstone and Hungary has led Merc to once again considering a compromise between track position and flat-out race pace.

Given the Monaco-like nature of Singapore, I expect them to opt for track position.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... -shoot-out

"Previously, Mercedes’ advantage was so big the team could do an optimal race set up and still be sure to set pole . . . [C]oming into Silverstone, Mercedes had set the car up to protect the hard-worked front-left tyre so as to allow them a competitive stint length required for the optimum strategy. But that damn near lost them pole to Verstappen’s Red Bull . . .

. . . At Hungary, a similar thing. The front left needed to be protected – and this time that did cost Mercedes pole to Verstappen. The tiny difference in the lap time between Hamilton and Verstappen was all in the first two corners – where the Mercedes' front tyres weren’t quite up to temperature and the Red Bull’s were. So now Red Bull had track position, but Mercedes had the faster race car."

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by auv » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:33 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:22 pm
Article from Mark Hughes on how Mercedes started skewing their setup heavily toward race pace because they had such a large pace advantage.

Red Bull's performances in Silverstone and Hungary has led Merc to once again considering a compromise between track position and flat-out race pace.

Given the Monaco-like nature of Singapore, I expect them to opt for track position.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... -shoot-out

"Previously, Mercedes’ advantage was so big the team could do an optimal race set up and still be sure to set pole . . . [C]oming into Silverstone, Mercedes had set the car up to protect the hard-worked front-left tyre so as to allow them a competitive stint length required for the optimum strategy. But that damn near lost them pole to Verstappen’s Red Bull . . .

. . . At Hungary, a similar thing. The front left needed to be protected – and this time that did cost Mercedes pole to Verstappen. The tiny difference in the lap time between Hamilton and Verstappen was all in the first two corners – where the Mercedes' front tyres weren’t quite up to temperature and the Red Bull’s were. So now Red Bull had track position, but Mercedes had the faster race car."
I think, there is nothing new for Merc here. They must have started skewing setup from the very begging of last season, due to Ferrari extreme competitiveness.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by F1Krof » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:53 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:22 pm
Article from Mark Hughes on how Mercedes started skewing their setup heavily toward race pace because they had such a large pace advantage.

Red Bull's performances in Silverstone and Hungary has led Merc to once again considering a compromise between track position and flat-out race pace.

Given the Monaco-like nature of Singapore, I expect them to opt for track position.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... -shoot-out

"Previously, Mercedes’ advantage was so big the team could do an optimal race set up and still be sure to set pole . . . [C]oming into Silverstone, Mercedes had set the car up to protect the hard-worked front-left tyre so as to allow them a competitive stint length required for the optimum strategy. But that damn near lost them pole to Verstappen’s Red Bull . . .

. . . At Hungary, a similar thing. The front left needed to be protected – and this time that did cost Mercedes pole to Verstappen. The tiny difference in the lap time between Hamilton and Verstappen was all in the first two corners – where the Mercedes' front tyres weren’t quite up to temperature and the Red Bull’s were. So now Red Bull had track position, but Mercedes had the faster race car."
Man, Mark Hughes, the only "pundit" who manages to say nothing in so much of speaking. Thanks genius, btw water is wet and sky is blue.
Wroom wroom

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by GPR -A » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:05 am

F1Krof wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:53 pm
zibby43 wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:22 pm
Article from Mark Hughes on how Mercedes started skewing their setup heavily toward race pace because they had such a large pace advantage.

Red Bull's performances in Silverstone and Hungary has led Merc to once again considering a compromise between track position and flat-out race pace.

Given the Monaco-like nature of Singapore, I expect them to opt for track position.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... -shoot-out

"Previously, Mercedes’ advantage was so big the team could do an optimal race set up and still be sure to set pole . . . [C]oming into Silverstone, Mercedes had set the car up to protect the hard-worked front-left tyre so as to allow them a competitive stint length required for the optimum strategy. But that damn near lost them pole to Verstappen’s Red Bull . . .

. . . At Hungary, a similar thing. The front left needed to be protected – and this time that did cost Mercedes pole to Verstappen. The tiny difference in the lap time between Hamilton and Verstappen was all in the first two corners – where the Mercedes' front tyres weren’t quite up to temperature and the Red Bull’s were. So now Red Bull had track position, but Mercedes had the faster race car."
Man, Mark Hughes, the only "pundit" who manages to say nothing in so much of speaking. Thanks genius, btw water is wet and sky is blue.
And night is dark. It baffles me that, these guys have spent an age in paddock and are supposed to br technical experts. What you get from these guys is elementary school rhymes without it sounding as such.