All the engines are within 4kW depending on track.yamahasho wrote: ↑25 Jul 2022, 21:53This may favor Mercedes as I recall Hungary is not a high speed track.
Can anyone give me the technicals details about Mercedes engine, why are they so down on power? Didn’t f1 engines get homologated? Does that occur at the beginning of the season? Or can teams continue to develop external engine parts?
Honda was down on top end last year the reason I’m asking and my intent is to find out exactly when they made the upgrade.
Thanks but I’m not sure what that means, the difference? no one knows what the engines make so I can only assume RB and Ferrari have a better aero package.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑26 Jul 2022, 03:43All the engines are within 4kW depending on track.yamahasho wrote: ↑25 Jul 2022, 21:53This may favor Mercedes as I recall Hungary is not a high speed track.
Can anyone give me the technicals details about Mercedes engine, why are they so down on power? Didn’t f1 engines get homologated? Does that occur at the beginning of the season? Or can teams continue to develop external engine parts?
Honda was down on top end last year the reason I’m asking and my intent is to find out exactly when they made the upgrade.
.yamahasho wrote: ↑25 Jul 2022, 22:28.organic wrote: ↑25 Jul 2022, 22:12.yamahasho wrote: ↑25 Jul 2022, 21:53This may favor Mercedes as I recall Hungary is not a high speed track.
Can anyone give me the technicals details about Mercedes engine, why are they so down on power? Didn’t f1 engines get homologated? Does that occur at the beginning of the season? Or can teams continue to develop external engine parts?
Honda was down on top end last year the reason I’m asking and my intent is to find out exactly when they made the upgrade.
There was a large change in between 2021 and 2022 in terms of engines. They moved from E5 to E10 fuel which is doubling the amount of ethanol. The engines had to be changed to be efficient with the new fuel; clearly Honda did a better job at that adaptation than Mercedes
Curious how they managed that, ethanol creates a lot of cylinder wall wash, keeps them cooler, wonder if Honda is running more timing and hotter temps which could be the cause of their reliability issues in order to eek every bit out of it.
I don’t think Vest. should put it in cruise control, after spa, the cars may run different, he needs a big lead in case they lose their .5 sec a lap advantage.
You have a lot of catchup to do on 2022 engine side and you can visit a few other threads to bring yourself upto speed.yamahasho wrote: ↑25 Jul 2022, 22:28Curious how they managed that, ethanol creates a lot of cylinder wall wash, keeps them cooler, wonder if Honda is running more timing and hotter temps which could be the cause of their reliability issues in order to eek every bit out of it.organic wrote: ↑25 Jul 2022, 22:12There was a large change in between 2021 and 2022 in terms of engines. They moved from E5 to E10 fuel which is doubling the amount of ethanol. The engines had to be changed to be efficient with the new fuel; clearly Honda did a better job at that adaptation than Mercedesyamahasho wrote: ↑25 Jul 2022, 21:53This may favor Mercedes as I recall Hungary is not a high speed track.
Can anyone give me the technicals details about Mercedes engine, why are they so down on power? Didn’t f1 engines get homologated? Does that occur at the beginning of the season? Or can teams continue to develop external engine parts?
Honda was down on top end last year the reason I’m asking and my intent is to find out exactly when they made the upgrade.
I don’t think Vest. should put it in cruise control, after spa, the cars may run different, he needs a big lead in case they lose their .5 sec a lap advantage.
If it rains, no one will be good in Hungary - the usual state of play in the rain these days is to delay the race for an hour, do 10 laps behind the safety car and then red flag waiting for conditions to improve.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑26 Jul 2022, 13:05Dialtone's data traces show Mercedes is very good at medium speed so far. It will be close in Hungary.
If all teams choose to go max downforce - Merc will have less than Ferrari and RB. If teams choose to go medium downforce - Merc will suffer on straights. In any case, they can be close only by divine intervention. Which is actually very likely, considering how it worked out for Max this seasonPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑26 Jul 2022, 13:05Dialtone's data traces show Mercedes is very good at medium speed so far. It will be close in Hungary.