2023 Spanish Grand Prix - Catalunya, June 02 - 04

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 21:35
Does anyone know exactly where Lewis has been gaining time through sector 1 of this track to be consistently posting purple sectors?
I only found some purple segments in Q2. That's around Turn 3, I think?

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chrisc90 wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 20:51
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03 Jun 2023, 20:49
RB is giving away the constructors title if Perez keeps this level up , enough teams which finish with 2 cars easy in points
Perez needs to stop making the silly mistakes and close in another tenth or 2 to Max.

He has the car to make up ground tomorrow from P11. There is literally no excuse not to be fighting for a podium spot tomorrow with the car he has under him.
I think Checo is making the mistakes because he is trying to close in on Max.
I believe he would be a far better contestant if he accepted reality and played a tail gunner to Max without the pressure (from himself or the team) Max is an exception and we can not measure most other drivers against him, maybe just the top handful, and with no respect to Checo, he is not one of them.
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There's certain beauty in achieving a team goal like getting a 1-2 at every GP., scoring the most WCC points ever, and obtaining one's highest WDC position at season end (P2). Checo should at least ensure those things happen, and if a championship falls into his lap, then so be it but he won't be able to force it out of Verstappen's hand so there's no sense putting all that pressure on oneself.
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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 22:45
There's certain beauty in achieving a team goal like getting a 1-2 at every GP., scoring the most WCC points ever, and obtaining one's highest WDC position at season end (P2). Checo should at least ensure those things happen, and if a championship falls into his lap, then so be it but he won't be able to force it out of Verstappen's hand so there's no sense putting all that pressure on oneself.
Perez is a competent driver. What is preventing RB to achieve what you said is that their car is nowhere near as dominant as the 2014-2021 Mercedes. Even Bottas, who is having a tough time against mediocre Zhou, trashed the field most of the times. With RB you can´t do that on such regular basis, at least not in QLF. On the races, RB should have a relatively better pace and maybe Perez could overtake other teams like Alpine, Mercedes....(will not even count Hulk because this guy has been the highlight of the year, consistently trashing Kmag and putting Haas where nobody thinks it deserves to be)

BTW, I can´t fathom how Gasly and/or his engineer could be so stupid to block in such ways.....

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Artur Craft wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 23:06
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 22:45
There's certain beauty in achieving a team goal like getting a 1-2 at every GP., scoring the most WCC points ever, and obtaining one's highest WDC position at season end (P2). Checo should at least ensure those things happen, and if a championship falls into his lap, then so be it but he won't be able to force it out of Verstappen's hand so there's no sense putting all that pressure on oneself.
Perez is a competent driver. What is preventing RB to achieve what you said is that their car is nowhere near as dominant as the 2014-2021 Mercedes.
He isn’t. He’s shown he’s not. He’s slow, mistake prone, and mentally in a very bad place now. It’s the accumulation of beatings that’s gets you, and Miami looked like the knockout blow.

You put a Norris type in that RB, and they achieve those 1-2’s. I’m not buying this stuff that this RB is not dominant. It might not be quite at the Merc levels of dominance, but it’s pretty darn close.

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DGP123 wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 23:17

You put a Norris type in that RB, and they achieve those 1-2’s.
They've been trying to get him for years

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Perez is performing poorly last races. But lets not forget he has won already a few. So it's not that he's a bad driver. But Max is exceptional and apparently able to extract (much) more out of the RB19

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Artur Craft wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 23:06
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 22:45
There's certain beauty in achieving a team goal like getting a 1-2 at every GP., scoring the most WCC points ever, and obtaining one's highest WDC position at season end (P2). Checo should at least ensure those things happen, and if a championship falls into his lap, then so be it but he won't be able to force it out of Verstappen's hand so there's no sense putting all that pressure on oneself.
Perez is a competent driver. What is preventing RB to achieve what you said is that their car is nowhere near as dominant as the 2014-2021 Mercedes. Even Bottas, who is having a tough time against mediocre Zhou, trashed the field most of the times. With RB you can´t do that on such regular basis, at least not in QLF. On the races, RB should have a relatively better pace and maybe Perez could overtake other teams like Alpine, Mercedes....(will not even count Hulk because this guy has been the highlight of the year, consistently trashing Kmag and putting Haas where nobody thinks it deserves to be)

BTW, I can´t fathom how Gasly and/or his engineer could be so stupid to block in such ways.....
The problem with this though is that would apply to a long line of other drivers going back to Vettel's time there.
It may be correct, but it would really put RBR management in a bad light
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Artur Craft wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 23:06
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 22:45
There's certain beauty in achieving a team goal like getting a 1-2 at every GP., scoring the most WCC points ever, and obtaining one's highest WDC position at season end (P2). Checo should at least ensure those things happen, and if a championship falls into his lap, then so be it but he won't be able to force it out of Verstappen's hand so there's no sense putting all that pressure on oneself.
Perez is a competent driver. What is preventing RB to achieve what you said is that their car is nowhere near as dominant as the 2014-2021 Mercedes.
They've won every race this season. They were half a second ahead in qualifying on the best known track (so far as teams are concerned) on the calendar. What more needs to be done?

Perez is in the same position as Rubens back when it was Michael topping every timesheet. Perez isn't as good as Max. That's simply obvious. He's a handy second driver not expected to do much more other than find a few points. Sadly, for Sergio, he hasn't figured that out yet.
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I agree with folks saying Checo is trying to hard. I think in his head he’s convinced he can beat Max. He can’t. As soon as he accepts that he will slot into that 1/2 second or more between pole and second. Max had a 1:11:9 if he needed it. Checo needs to slot into that gap. Barachello did it perfect with Schumacher. Maybe Checo needs to study Barachello’s time at Ferrari. He was perfect.
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Artur Craft wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 23:06
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 22:45
There's certain beauty in achieving a team goal like getting a 1-2 at every GP., scoring the most WCC points ever, and obtaining one's highest WDC position at season end (P2). Checo should at least ensure those things happen, and if a championship falls into his lap, then so be it but he won't be able to force it out of Verstappen's hand so there's no sense putting all that pressure on oneself.
Perez is a competent driver. What is preventing RB to achieve what you said is that their car is nowhere near as dominant as the 2014-2021 Mercedes. Even Bottas, who is having a tough time against mediocre Zhou, trashed the field most of the times. With RB you can´t do that on such regular basis, at least not in QLF. On the races, RB should have a relatively better pace and maybe Perez could overtake other teams like Alpine, Mercedes....(will not even count Hulk because this guy has been the highlight of the year, consistently trashing Kmag and putting Haas where nobody thinks it deserves to be)

BTW, I can´t fathom how Gasly and/or his engineer could be so stupid to block in such ways.....
His performances lately have nothing to do with the dominance level of the car. He just cant stay on track. He was never like this at Force India/Racing point. He is feeling the pressure of competing at the front. Not everyone is bred to perform at the front.

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Worried about Stroll tomorrow, hope he doesn't do anything stupid at the start.

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DGP123 wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 23:17
Artur Craft wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 23:06
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 22:45
There's certain beauty in achieving a team goal like getting a 1-2 at every GP., scoring the most WCC points ever, and obtaining one's highest WDC position at season end (P2). Checo should at least ensure those things happen, and if a championship falls into his lap, then so be it but he won't be able to force it out of Verstappen's hand so there's no sense putting all that pressure on oneself.
Perez is a competent driver. What is preventing RB to achieve what you said is that their car is nowhere near as dominant as the 2014-2021 Mercedes.
He isn’t. He’s shown he’s not. He’s slow, mistake prone, and mentally in a very bad place now. It’s the accumulation of beatings that’s gets you, and Miami looked like the knockout blow.

You put a Norris type in that RB, and they achieve those 1-2’s. I’m not buying this stuff that this RB is not dominant. It might not be quite at the Merc levels of dominance, but it’s pretty darn close.
Red Bull do have a formerly highly rated reserve driver in the form of Mr. Ricciardo!

But it is a shame to see Perez being questioned after just a couple of messy races. Not long ago folks were talking of Perez as a championship contender!

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JordanMugen wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 02:34
DGP123 wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 23:17
Artur Craft wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 23:06

Perez is a competent driver. What is preventing RB to achieve what you said is that their car is nowhere near as dominant as the 2014-2021 Mercedes.
He isn’t. He’s shown he’s not. He’s slow, mistake prone, and mentally in a very bad place now. It’s the accumulation of beatings that’s gets you, and Miami looked like the knockout blow.

You put a Norris type in that RB, and they achieve those 1-2’s. I’m not buying this stuff that this RB is not dominant. It might not be quite at the Merc levels of dominance, but it’s pretty darn close.
Red Bull do have a formerly highly rated reserve driver in the form of Mr. Ricciardo!

But it is a shame to see Perez being questioned after just a couple of messy races. Not long ago folks were talking of Perez as a championship contender!
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