2023 Spanish Grand Prix - Catalunya, June 02 - 04

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Watching the F2 race now

Soft-Hard-Soft might be the best strategy considering the pace advantage at the end of the race!

Hopefully there is enough tire degradation so that there is enough pace difference between the cars to promote overtaking!

Alonso with the kind on its tires Aston Martin will be in the play for the podium I think!
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search wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 10:24
Tyres left + race strategies from Pirelli:

https://i.imgur.com/inGgk2S.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1kw4RbT.jpg
Curious that only RBR and Ferrari saved their hards.

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wogx wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 12:40
Isn't it better for Leclerc to replace all possible components today? He starts from the end of the pack, those would be almost free, new parts
he did indeed change ES and CE. The other engine parts aren't at the limit yet, so wouldn't really come with much of an advantage, penalty-wise.

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verstappen p1 lap 1:12.272
https://streamable.com/ovqty7


norris p3 lap 1:12.792
https://streamable.com/4uly26


hamilton p5 lap 1:12.818 - honestly it looks like wind might have turned in q3 and this brought mercedes speed on straight down somewhat and more in line with others. Initially I only briefly looked at their q1 and q2 laps and there they had around 330 kmh on main straight, so they might not be as op. still i think hamilton will be p2 in the end
https://streamable.com/9fgqit

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So a relatively mixed up grid for today. With a few cars starting out of position. Charles from the pitlane (with Sargent), Perez in 11th alongside Russell in 12th, Stroll outqualifying Alonso who starts in 8th, and the Mclarens for the best start positions of the season (I think)

Be interesting to see if Charles' Issues are rectified, should be able to power his way up through the grid if he has the confidence. Perez certainly has the car to be able to challenge for a podium position - so that should be his target.

Be interesting to see the race pace of both Mercedes with the new upgrades. I think Russell should be able to make some positions up and Lewis should get Norris, one would imagine. Expecting Alonso to make up a couple of early positions passing Ocon and Hulk.

Not too sure what to expect from McLaren - hopefully they have plenty pace to keep their positions.

Going to be a hell of a fight for the remaining 2 podium positions.

Juzh wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 12:07
I predict hamilton in P2 on lap 10 at the latest. Mclaren has got no speed on straights and ferrari has no speed in sector 3, so they'll be sitting ducks. And if anyone jumps him off the line it'll only prolong the whole thing by a lap or two.
I think he's also got perez covered.
A LOT to consider with the sector speeds. next to nothing in S3 really. Sainz is roughly 4-5kmh slower where drivers lifted slightly into T14, which ended up to be 1kmh a very short way before the finish line. At the very end of the telemetry speed traces it was 5khm somehow - maybe this is deployment? What is then interesting is when they started the fast lap, it was within 1kmh of SAI and HAM, but Sainz pulled 5kmh on Lewis before braking into T1. So you could say the Ferrari has a bit better top speed, off the final corner and down the straight.
Of course, how that translates into a DRS vs No DRS pass is another question/topic and something we will have to see, but I think if both have DRS, neither will be able to overtake each other if they were following say Max for example within 1second.

Speeds between Norris and Ham were actually pretty close - expected given the same PU in the back. Interesting Lewis actually lost most his time to Norris in S1 (turn 1) and S3 (turns 10 and 12). Turn 1 he lost a tenth and marginally gained some back and S3 Turns 10 and 12, +0.16 for Lewis. So I imagine it might actually turn out to be pretty difficult for Lewis to pass Norris on pure pace alone. Whether he can get him on the brakes into one of the corners is what we will have to see. Telemetry wise there is VERY little between the two.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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McLaren also very strong in final two corners. If Norris can be very fast through those, it could prove crucial for his race

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Norris could be cooking

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Fergie also says, there could be some showers to come before the start of the race


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But silly on the way to the grid George
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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mendis wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 02:41
JordanMugen wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 02:34
DGP123 wrote:
03 Jun 2023, 23:17


He isn’t. He’s shown he’s not. He’s slow, mistake prone, and mentally in a very bad place now. It’s the accumulation of beatings that’s gets you, and Miami looked like the knockout blow.

You put a Norris type in that RB, and they achieve those 1-2’s. I’m not buying this stuff that this RB is not dominant. It might not be quite at the Merc levels of dominance, but it’s pretty darn close.
Red Bull do have a formerly highly rated reserve driver in the form of Mr. Ricciardo!

But it is a shame to see Perez being questioned after just a couple of messy races. Not long ago folks were talking of Perez as a championship contender!
"Folks". :lol:
Same "Folks" now calling him bad driver.

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I'm playing catch-up today and missed qualifying.

Is the Mercedes noticeably faster in a straight line this race?

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djones wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 14:36
I'm playing catch-up today and missed qualifying.

Is the Mercedes noticeably faster in a straight line this race?
Nobody knows. Race starts in 20mins
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 14:42
djones wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 14:36
I'm playing catch-up today and missed qualifying.

Is the Mercedes noticeably faster in a straight line this race?
Nobody knows. Race starts in 20mins
Thanks.

Sorry, I should have said this race weekend, not race.

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djones wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 14:43
chrisc90 wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 14:42
djones wrote:
04 Jun 2023, 14:36
I'm playing catch-up today and missed qualifying.

Is the Mercedes noticeably faster in a straight line this race?
Nobody knows. Race starts in 20mins
Thanks.

Sorry, I should have said this race weekend, not race.
No theyre generally hitting 4-5 km/h slower than Ferrari/RB/alpine. They're running the good old barn door

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Medium for max

Soft for p2-p9