Language issue: what are hip-radiators (Lotus 72)?

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SiLo wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:31 pm
Farnborough wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:49 pm
Its a good book, isn't it.

I'm part way through for the first time and really enjoy it.

One of my favourite cars, the Ferrari 63* series from Barnard arrival at the team.
Do you have a physical copy or is it on Kindle? I want to get a physical copy but it seems it's hard to find!
Yes a real copy I have. Bought for me as a present more than a year ago though, so not current supply chain.

Started reading immediately and interupted for various reason :oops: now back to reading it.

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"One of my favorite cars, the FERRARI 63* series from Barnards arrival at the team''. Very much interested to know which year was the FERRARI 63*series if you would please clarify.

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Farnborough wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:35 pm
SiLo wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:31 pm
Farnborough wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:49 pm
Its a good book, isn't it.

I'm part way through for the first time and really enjoy it.

One of my favourite cars, the Ferrari 63* series from Barnard arrival at the team.
Do you have a physical copy or is it on Kindle? I want to get a physical copy but it seems it's hard to find!
Yes a real copy I have. Bought for me as a present more than a year ago though, so not current supply chain.

Started reading immediately and interupted for various reason :oops: now back to reading it.
Any chance you'd be willing to sell/loan it when you are done? It basically seems impossible to find, there is one up for £75 on ebay!
Felipe Baby!

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saviour stivala wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:41 am
"One of my favorite cars, the FERRARI 63* series from Barnards arrival at the team''. Very much interested to know which year was the FERRARI 63*series if you would please clarify.
I would have thought this is the 639 - 1989 car?
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CMSMJ1 wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:53 pm
saviour stivala wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:41 am
"One of my favorite cars, the FERRARI 63* series from Barnards arrival at the team''. Very much interested to know which year was the FERRARI 63*series if you would please clarify.
I would have thought this is the 639 - 1989 car?
That '639' was my thought too although he stated '63* series' and not 639. My asking was because the two "63" - 1963 and 639 - 1989 are two very different cars, two different areas, two different designers.

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SiLo wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:28 am
Farnborough wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:35 pm
SiLo wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:31 pm


Do you have a physical copy or is it on Kindle? I want to get a physical copy but it seems it's hard to find!
Yes a real copy I have. Bought for me as a present more than a year ago though, so not current supply chain.

Started reading immediately and interupted for various reason :oops: now back to reading it.
Any chance you'd be willing to sell/loan it when you are done? It basically seems impossible to find, there is one up for £75 on ebay!
Apologies for slow response, but already promised on loan to a friend after reading it. I didn't realise there's no current supply either.

Unusual that its not gone for another print run as publishers are usually quite quick to fill demand for their own commercial reasons.
Perhaps there's one planned.

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saviour stivala wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:57 pm
CMSMJ1 wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:53 pm
saviour stivala wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:41 am
"One of my favorite cars, the FERRARI 63* series from Barnards arrival at the team''. Very much interested to know which year was the FERRARI 63*series if you would please clarify.
I would have thought this is the 639 - 1989 car?
That '639' was my thought too although he stated '63* series' and not 639. My asking was because the two "63" - 1963 and 639 - 1989 are two very different cars, two different areas, two different designers.
Yes, the chassis series started by "639" numbering as we were talking about Barnard the designer of it, then going into 640 as evolution and surely a candidate for one of the most aesthetically beautiful F1 cars of all time :D

Stunning in its simplicity of lines but with the first hydraulic activated gearbox in the form we accept as normal now, plus some very clever suspension mounts along with such a pure design overall.

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Absolutely - the 639 was a nice looking thing and the 640 was just superb.

I can remember trying to draw it in my technical drawing classes at school back in the day!
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Farnborough wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:55 am
SiLo wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:28 am
Farnborough wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:35 pm


Yes a real copy I have. Bought for me as a present more than a year ago though, so not current supply chain.

Started reading immediately and interupted for various reason :oops: now back to reading it.
Any chance you'd be willing to sell/loan it when you are done? It basically seems impossible to find, there is one up for £75 on ebay!
Apologies for slow response, but already promised on loan to a friend after reading it. I didn't realise there's no current supply either.

Unusual that its not gone for another print run as publishers are usually quite quick to fill demand for their own commercial reasons.
Perhaps there's one planned.
No worries! Maybe I will PM you some time next year to see if its free again. I will keep looking in the meantime.
Felipe Baby!

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The '639' was the development car ran in 1988 and never raced during 1989. It was a mixture of the turbocharged 'F187/88C' and the then forthcoming '640', it futured the semi-automatic gearbox and the new normally aspirated V-12.

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saviour stivala wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:52 pm
The '639' was the development car ran in 1988 and never raced during 1989. It was a mixture of the turbocharged 'F187/88C' and the then forthcoming '640', it futured the semi-automatic gearbox and the new normally aspirated V-12.
As I understand it there's complete separation of F1 88 type chassis designed ultimately by Gustav Brunner and the 639 gestation into 640. They don't share anything in that the monocoque was specifically designed by Barnard to exclude even the manual gear change mechanical components, and so prevent a competing design (instigated within the factory) of manual change gearbox being fitted.
Type 88 was only V6 turbo, I thought.
Barnard was there as technical director but working on new platform without carry over in my understanding.

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F1/86 - Postlethwaite designed. F1/87 - Brunner designed - 6 speed gearbox - 90 degree 1.5-l turbo V6 - tipo 033. F1/87/88C - 1988) - Brunner designed - engine tipo 033a. Barnard to FERRARI in 1987 but his first FERRARI car design was the 1989 640 - 3.5-l V-12.

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saviour stivala wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:52 pm
The '639' was the development car ran in 1988 and never raced during 1989. It was a mixture of the turbocharged 'F187/88C' and the then forthcoming '640', it futured the semi-automatic gearbox and the new normally aspirated V-12.
Actually, no. :D

The one you refer to was called just the 'hybrid' at the time and it featured a F1 87/88c chassis and the new aspirated V12 + semiautomatic gearbox



The 639 was the prototype which then lead to the 640, basically very similar but much more refined (and tested in the wind tunnel, while the 639 almost wasn't at all)
https://adelaidegprix.com/2022/03/19/vi ... rrari-639/

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1988 FERRARI 639 prototype of which only two were made. One, s/n 106 (the second of only two factory tipo 639 prototypes and test cars build for FISA's 1989 3.5-litre atmospheric formula). F1 tipo 639 s/n 106 was used to test FERRARI's all new tipo 035 3.5-litre engine (685 bhp @ 13k rpm). Was retained by the factory from 1988 to 1999, and was then sold by FERRARI SPA to the first and only owner in Reggio Emilia, it was supplied with and certified, engine tipo 035/5 number 20 and 7 speed FI shift transaxle tipo 639 number 5.

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saviour stivala wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:16 am
1988 FERRARI 639 prototype of which only two were made. One, s/n 106 (the second of only two factory tipo 639 prototypes and test cars build for FISA's 1989 3.5-litre atmospheric formula). F1 tipo 639 s/n 106 was used to test FERRARI's all new tipo 035 3.5-litre engine (685 bhp @ 13k rpm). Was retained by the factory from 1988 to 1999, and was then sold by FERRARI SPA to the first and only owner in Reggio Emilia, it was supplied with and certified, engine tipo 035/5 number 20 and 7 speed FI shift transaxle tipo 639 number 5.
That reads like a cut/paste - can you please cite these sources if this is the case?
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