2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Sieper wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:22 pm
Max himself isn’t expecting next year to be like this. I have never caught him law balling something big.
He said the same/similar things after 2022 and about the rb18.. at the time it felt like it would be very difficult for max to have a better season than that one - 15 wins, 68% win etc

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With that, the rb19 has surpassed the MP4/4. Best car ever built and best season by a driver by any metric

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Yes, me too. For the RB18 for sure it would be a difficult to predict, Mercedes was also bullish about their car and it looked super impressive. The RB19 I think they must have known, much lighter. This year he does really sound quite sure it won’t be the same next year. But let’s see, more windtunnel time again. Updates not brought now.

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organic wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:26 pm
With that, the rb19 has surpassed the MP4/4. Best car ever built and best season by a driver by any metric
Yep, imagine he would also have a 60/80hp party mode still I mean…

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What a season...

- most consecutive wins: 10 (former record: 9, Vettel)
- most wins in a season: 19 (former record: 15, Verstappen)
- highest win percentage in a season: 86,36% (former record: 75%, Ascari)
- most wins from pole in a season: 12 (former record: 9, Mansell/Vettel)
- first driver to ever win a GP grand slam/all four classics in a single season (Monza, Monaco, Spa, Silverstone)
- first driver to ever win 3 GPs in the same country in a single season (USA: Miami, Austin, Las Vegas)
- most consecutive top 2 finishes: 15 (matched record: Schumacher)
- WDC with most GPs to go: 6 GPs and 2 sprints (formed record: 6 GPs, Schumacher)
- most hat-tricks in a season: 6 (former record: 5, Ascari, Schumacher)
- most consecutive races as a WDC leader: 39 (former record: 37, Schumacher)
- most points in a season: 575 (former record: 454, Verstappen)
- highest points percentage in a season: 575/620=92,74% (former record: 84,71%, Schumacher)
- most points between first and second: 290 (former record: Vettel, 155)
- highest percentage points difference between first and second in the WDC: 285/575-1=50,27% (former record: 56/108-1=48,15%, Mansell)
- first driver to lead 1000 laps in a single season (couldn't resist :p )
- most laps led in a season: 1003 (former record: 739, Vettel)
- highest percentage of laps led in a season: 1003/1325=75,70% (former record: 506/708=71,47%, Clark)
- most km led in a season: 4914 (former record: 3796, Vettel)
- highest percentage of km led in a season: 4914/6700=73,34% (former record: 2759/3829=72,06%, Clark)
- most GPs led in a season: 20 (former record: 19, Hamilton)
- most podiums in a season: 21 (former record: 18, Verstappen)

Shamefully pinched from Renzmann over on autosport. (https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2232 ... p=10454094)

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We can also throw in the best post-race donut

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Talk about beating a dead horse...Verstappen is simply merciless. :lol:

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Enjoy!


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organic wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:26 pm
With that, the rb19 has surpassed the MP4/4. Best car ever built and best season by a driver by any metric
W11 is the best car ever built.

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avantman wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:07 pm
organic wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:26 pm
With that, the rb19 has surpassed the MP4/4. Best car ever built and best season by a driver by any metric
W11 is the best car ever built.
The fastest but not best by many metrics. Lost multiple GP on pure pace

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avantman wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:07 pm
organic wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:26 pm
With that, the rb19 has surpassed the MP4/4. Best car ever built and best season by a driver by any metric
W11 is the best car ever built.
W11 won ~76% of races it entered, not ~95%. Laptime comparisons are the territory of people who keep hooting and hollering about the Porsche 919 EVO, ie people who do not understand that a car's season-long performance within the ruleset it was designed in matters more than its absolute speed. The W11 isn't even Mercedes' most succesful car by a win percentage metric, let alone F1's most succesful car.

The RB19 is statistically the most succesful F1 car in the championship's history.

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organic wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:31 pm
avantman wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:07 pm
organic wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:26 pm
With that, the rb19 has surpassed the MP4/4. Best car ever built and best season by a driver by any metric
W11 is the best car ever built.
The fastest but not best by many metrics. Lost multiple GP on pure pace
what? :wtf:

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avantman wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:38 pm
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Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:32 pm
avantman wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:07 pm


W11 is the best car ever built.
W11 won ~76% of races it entered, not ~95%. Laptime comparisons are the territory of people who keep hooting and hollering about the Porsche 919 EVO, ie people who do not understand that a car's season-long performance within the ruleset it was designed in matters more than its absolute speed. The W11 isn't even Mercedes' most succesful car by a win percentage metric, let alone F1's most succesful car.

The RB19 is statistically the most succesful F1 car in the championship's history.
It turns out you understand really well what is the difference between 'the best' and 'the most successful statistically'. Well done! Not sure what was that rant for really.
Statistically most succesful is a longer way of saying ''best''. Again, pace comparisons are the territory of people who keep talking about the 919 EVO. If you want to argue silly semantics instead of statistics, the W11 lost two grands prix on pace and the RB19 lost one, which still sounds like the RB19 is the better car to me.

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What is the significance of 919 Evo?

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A rule of tumb to evaluate a cars performance is also to look at the win rate of the second driver: based on that the RB19 isn't, i haven't checked but there were less 1-2 finishes than in the golden years of Mercedes. It says also much about VER being a superb driver.