2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[TyreSlip]

Im curious to see that car next week in Monza, there we will see the real pace from that car. Probably Monza and Baku are the worst track for AMR25, especially monza. Could be a Spa's dejavu.

I think most need to take a deep breath and not be melodramatic when the car is at the back the next few weeks. 2026 will be here soon enough.

[diffuser]

The Racing Bull has been quicker than the Aston Martin all season. Hungary was an outlier track that played to Aston Martin's only strength. Most of the rest of the season is going to be a lot of pain.

yet despite making 15 points today for finishing on the podium, they're still 2 points behind us.

Are you correlating a car's race pace to the constructor's standings? Liam Lawson and a rookie are driving the Racing Bulls, and most of Stroll's points this season have come from aggressive pit stop strategy from behind and sometimes fortunate safety cars.

Yep, that's exactly what I'm doing.

There is always a story inside of the story for every car at every race. So where a driver finishes in each of those races has as much to do with how well they drove(how well the car did) as much as how well the others have driven.

Let's not forget that the Racing bulls got 12 points in Monaco and Alonso got a DNF, while he had split them in qualifying. You can go on and on with stuff like that. That why there are points... I wouild agree that on real pace there isn't much between them. Nor is their much between them in points with 9 races remaining.

[Rikrikrik]

Im curious to see that car next week in Monza, there we will see the real pace from that car. Probably Monza and Baku are the worst track for AMR25, especially monza. Could be a Spa's dejavu.

I think most need to take a deep breath and not be melodramatic when the car is at the back the next few weeks. 2026 will be here soon enough.

Yeah, but, nothing is guarante for nexr year, maybe we will be the last team. Probably not, but, who knows?

[HardikS]

ALO made his life very hard already at the start, being overtaken left and right because he didn’t committed for the inside or outside line. Overtaken at the next restart again. Let’s be honest, that would have not happened to prime ALO. Moaning on the team radio, despite making enough mistakes on his own. Not the best day.

And I know, there will be hundred excuses coming from certain users or conspiracy theories, thing is, ALO never needed excuses in the past, that was always the program of the Kimster fans for example. Frustrating weekend.

You are right that alonso made his life very hard at start but that was not main reason for his sub optimal weekend. Despite losing places, he recovering all places back by efficiently undercutting all up to Albon,Tsunoda & Antonelli after first pit stop due to his free air pace. Main problem for Alonso occurred when Hamilton crashed and bring out safety car.

At that point Alonso's race basically over because everyone ahead of him got free pit stop & got new tires. Safety car nullified gap of all cars to each other & Alonso on old hard tires compared to surrounding drivers new tires. So same cycle repeated alonso struck in DRS train & unable to progress without high tyre delta that's why he had to pit again.

Alonso's qualifying mistake in Q3 second run was also crucial.If He could qualified higher between 5th to 7th place then he couldn't have face problems from aggressive starters around him. If only he qualified at least ahead of Lawson than this opening lap lost places avoided. Also Alonso was driving very passively in 1st lap. His start was good even reaction time to launch was better but his car positioning was very bad rarely i see this type of mistake from Alonso.

At this track if you checked all previous year races, Alonso always goes for outside line aggressively and gain places in turn 2 and 3 maybe this time he avoided due to Lawson was ahead due to fear of pushing off as we know Alonso-Lawson racing history. Alonso's indecisiveness regarding whether take inside or outside line was became fatal for him.He lost there to Albon and Antonelli and later also not defended well against Tsunoda by allowing him to dive bomb inside. I hope it's one off bad opening lap from Alonso because his specialty strong skill is his opening lap start and car positioning. Maybe he was rusty and passively after long break.

Aston team strategy was perfect on the point because this was definitely two stop race which was fastest because on this track overtaking is very difficult so you can only gain places by undercutting front rivals. If you go for one stop then you have to manage pace and maybe stuck in DRS train. Problem was qualifying lower which affected race because car had definitely enough pace to secure top 5 result.

So overall Alonso had very average mediocre weekend in Quali and mainly in race by his high standard which he generally operates at weekends. So i will take his 4 points gladly instead 0 points but definitely top 5 was possible this weekend. Stroll had a horrible Quali but his race was perfect obviously safety car helped him to pit again for new tires but he was basically flawless regarding keeping clean and not losing place at restart.

Overall both drivers let down team by not qualifying higher but i think maximum was P5 and P6 was possible so definitely lost some points today to rivals.Now let's see what Monza weekend brings up. Alonso definitely eyeing for points which will be hard due to track nature but remember Alonso last year got 11th place by running aggressive two stop strategy due to tire degradation so don't rule out him.

[diffuser]

ALO made his life very hard already at the start, being overtaken left and right because he didn’t committed for the inside or outside line. Overtaken at the next restart again. Let’s be honest, that would have not happened to prime ALO. Moaning on the team radio, despite making enough mistakes on his own. Not the best day.

And I know, there will be hundred excuses coming from certain users or conspiracy theories, thing is, ALO never needed excuses in the past, that was always the program of the Kimster fans for example. Frustrating weekend.

He got hit with the dirt from Max's car. not sure how that happened but in the replay you see this big puff of brown.

[diffuser]

Did we still run the Silverstone and imola split between drivers.

Cos Alonso said pre race they had to raise the ride height from Friday to Saturday and Sunday

They did run the split long/short side pods in FP1 and FP2. They both used the short for quali and the race.


I didn't know they raised the ride height.

[SSJ4]

Did we still run the Silverstone and imola split between drivers.

Cos Alonso said pre race they had to raise the ride height from Friday to Saturday and Sunday

They did run the split long/short side pods in FP1 and FP2. They both used the short for quali and the race.


I didn't know they raised the ride height.

Yeah Alonso said pre race to Spanish tv/media. They raised it from Friday. Which makes sense with performance drop off. It’s more to do with. Did they both use imola floor for race?. I know Silverstone floor wasn’t ran in other races due to ride height

[zoroastar]

Im curious to see that car next week in Monza, there we will see the real pace from that car. Probably Monza and Baku are the worst track for AMR25, especially monza. Could be a Spa's dejavu.

baku is pretty deceptive. it could be bad for us, but i remember that slow ass mclaren honda gettin good results there when they had no top speed.a big portion of the track is like monaco.

[peewon]

ALO made his life very hard already at the start, being overtaken left and right because he didn’t committed for the inside or outside line. Overtaken at the next restart again. Let’s be honest, that would have not happened to prime ALO. Moaning on the team radio, despite making enough mistakes on his own. Not the best day.

And I know, there will be hundred excuses coming from certain users or conspiracy theories, thing is, ALO never needed excuses in the past, that was always the program of the Kimster fans for example. Frustrating weekend.

He got hit with the dirt from Max's car. not sure how that happened but in the replay you see this big puff of brown.

From what I saw with one replay that wasnt very clear, it looked like Antonelli was the one who was on the outside in turn two where the dust kicked up by Max was. He was then sliding and losing control on the inside of Alonso into turn 3 and really slowed him down and pushed him. The guys who made up places went on the inside of both.

[TLof]

The start, which Alonso did get away decently, didn't play that significant of a role in the overall picture. Stroll qualified 20th, was in 19th place after the start, and finished ahead of him.

Alonso lost momentum because he was stuck on the inside behind Lawson, who braked early, and had to compromise his line for the following corners while Antonelli squeezed around him on the outside. It was a lottery with two SCs, and we don't know what would have happened differently if Alonso had stayed in 10th place or made up a place. The undercut worked perfectly, and Alonso was flying until the SC once again ruined a promising result. You could tell by the frustration on the team radio when Alonso's engineer told him that the SC is coming out

[collindsilva]

Is there any information why they raised the floor for the FP3 and the race, in FP1 and FP2 the car was amazing.

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Is there any information why they raised the floor for the FP3 and the race, in FP1 and FP2 the car was amazing.

usually the only reason to do this is too much plank wear, leading to the risk to get disqualified otherwise.

[SchuMassa]

ALO made his life very hard already at the start, being overtaken left and right because he didn’t committed for the inside or outside line. Overtaken at the next restart again. Let’s be honest, that would have not happened to prime ALO. Moaning on the team radio, despite making enough mistakes on his own. Not the best day.

And I know, there will be hundred excuses coming from certain users or conspiracy theories, thing is, ALO never needed excuses in the past, that was always the program of the Kimster fans for example. Frustrating weekend.

You are right that alonso made his life very hard at start but that was not main reason for his sub optimal weekend. Despite losing places, he recovering all places back by efficiently undercutting all up to Albon,Tsunoda & Antonelli after first pit stop due to his free air pace. Main problem for Alonso occurred when Hamilton crashed and bring out safety car.

At that point Alonso's race basically over because everyone ahead of him got free pit stop & got new tires. Safety car nullified gap of all cars to each other & Alonso on old hard tires compared to surrounding drivers new tires. So same cycle repeated alonso struck in DRS train & unable to progress without high tyre delta that's why he had to pit again.

Alonso's qualifying mistake in Q3 second run was also crucial.If He could qualified higher between 5th to 7th place then he couldn't have face problems from aggressive starters around him. If only he qualified at least ahead of Lawson than this opening lap lost places avoided. Also Alonso was driving very passively in 1st lap. His start was good even reaction time to launch was better but his car positioning was very bad rarely i see this type of mistake from Alonso.

At this track if you checked all previous year races, Alonso always goes for outside line aggressively and gain places in turn 2 and 3 maybe this time he avoided due to Lawson was ahead due to fear of pushing off as we know Alonso-Lawson racing history. Alonso's indecisiveness regarding whether take inside or outside line was became fatal for him.He lost there to Albon and Antonelli and later also not defended well against Tsunoda by allowing him to dive bomb inside. I hope it's one off bad opening lap from Alonso because his specialty strong skill is his opening lap start and car positioning. Maybe he was rusty and passively after long break.

Aston team strategy was perfect on the point because this was definitely two stop race which was fastest because on this track overtaking is very difficult so you can only gain places by undercutting front rivals. If you go for one stop then you have to manage pace and maybe stuck in DRS train. Problem was qualifying lower which affected race because car had definitely enough pace to secure top 5 result.

So overall Alonso had very average mediocre weekend in Quali and mainly in race by his high standard which he generally operates at weekends. So i will take his 4 points gladly instead 0 points but definitely top 5 was possible this weekend. Stroll had a horrible Quali but his race was perfect obviously safety car helped him to pit again for new tires but he was basically flawless regarding keeping clean and not losing place at restart.

Overall both drivers let down team by not qualifying higher but i think maximum was P5 and P6 was possible so definitely lost some points today to rivals.Now let's see what Monza weekend brings up. Alonso definitely eyeing for points which will be hard due to track nature but remember Alonso last year got 11th place by running aggressive two stop strategy due to tire degradation so don't rule out him.

Very well compiled and rather objective summary! Let's hope certain users will let you live for another day...

[SSJ4]

What Mike krack said
“Lance had an accident and Fernando didn’t do many laps in the long run. Therefore, you’re a bit in uncharted territory when it comes to plank wear."

[Bisonas]

I don't remember a race that Alonso used the "F" word so many times on team radio.

Maybe there is such a race and i don't remember it but we are talking about really "a lot of times" using it. Some times he was using it, 2-3 times in the same sentence or something.
It was obvious that he was driving quite frustrated. A little bit frustrated i guess, from how qualifying went yesterday and a lot more frustrated with how the first lap played out.
But the real trigger switch was Hamilton crash. I mean from then on, it was an "F" word festival.

The timing of Hamilton crash was really really unbelievably unlucky for him, and from then on, it was just everybody's fault for Alonso. He had a problem with everything.
The whole team went into "Alonso anger management" mode from then on. He was really THAT frustrated.

But despite his frustration and his (maybe a little unfair to the team) outlash after Hamilton's crash, Alonso was right.
He wanted to roll the dice again after Hamilton's crash, and do something different to try to undercut the train in front of him, while the team was telling him, their best bet was to wait for a safety car for his next tire change. They told him that in the team radio.

I get the feeling that Alonso's frustration led the team to give in to Alonso desires and make the decision to roll the dice again, and it felt to me like they where trying to shut him up (in a humorous way ) Something like, ok you won, we will do what you want but don't complain again l8r if it turns out badly at the end.
I was getting those kind of vibes, while listening the team radio from start to finish.
In the end, considering the circumstances, it turned out ok, but it was really a gamble after gamble trying to correct the qualifying mishaps, trying to chase your luck, and trying to chase an opportunity to show the real pace of the car.