2026 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Just wondering what would happen, if they had undercut Rus. Max had a better pace and would make some seconds. On the other side Kimi would be third and probably caught Rus and there we would have potential battle. But that’s all what if.

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organic wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 19:22
A red bull employee says publicly on a personal social media that they are glad the update worked and one day it will be reported what this upgrade included and it will blow everyone's minds. This is what they've said
I wonder when the day will come, but the more important thing will be the one to reveal it. It's hard to believe D. is going to do it... but time will tell.
It will be more important to find out if Austria was a one-off or if the trend continues.

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lio007 wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 20:48
organic wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 19:22
A red bull employee says publicly on a personal social media that they are glad the update worked and one day it will be reported what this upgrade included and it will blow everyone's minds. This is what they've said
I wonder when the day will come, but the more important thing will be the one to reveal it. It's hard to believe D. is going to do it... but time will tell.
It will be more important to find out if Austria was a one-off or if the trend continues.
There is much more downforce on the car than the previous 7 rounds. From what I saw of T4-5-6-7, I am convinced. Needs more though, not as good as the Mercedes/Ferrari, evidenced by T9.

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venkyhere wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 21:28
lio007 wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 20:48
organic wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 19:22
A red bull employee says publicly on a personal social media that they are glad the update worked and one day it will be reported what this upgrade included and it will blow everyone's minds. This is what they've said
I wonder when the day will come, but the more important thing will be the one to reveal it. It's hard to believe D. is going to do it... but time will tell.
It will be more important to find out if Austria was a one-off or if the trend continues.
There is much more downforce on the car than the previous 7 rounds. From what I saw of T4-5-6-7, I am convinced. Needs more though, not as good as the Mercedes/Ferrari, evidenced by T9.
Interesting times ahead.
I'm quite happy for the technical team in what they've achieved.
The media always kind of hyped AN, but it needs a whole well oiled machinery i.e. engineering team. RBR is still able to turn the page.
I'm inclined to believe that they have set their initial performance goals too low compared to the other top teams.

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No I think they made some fundamental errors with sidepod shape etc, underestimating the need to push the front tyre wake out. Maybe some other design choices as well. Fact Skinner is out might have something to do with it.

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Pace was very good, just look at China and compare this to today. I think this engine is a success, now they have to build a good chassis to strike and fight for the the title in 2027. This year it was always going to be transitional one. But I am quite suprised in a positive way. Lets go.

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venkyhere wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 21:28
lio007 wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 20:48
organic wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 19:22
A red bull employee says publicly on a personal social media that they are glad the update worked and one day it will be reported what this upgrade included and it will blow everyone's minds. This is what they've said
I wonder when the day will come, but the more important thing will be the one to reveal it. It's hard to believe D. is going to do it... but time will tell.
It will be more important to find out if Austria was a one-off or if the trend continues.
There is much more downforce on the car than the previous 7 rounds. From what I saw of T4-5-6-7, I am convinced. Needs more though, not as good as the Mercedes/Ferrari, evidenced by T9.
Tbh I think t9 is a rear suspension issue that's causing poor high speed performance

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Sergej wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 19:39
organic wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 19:22
A red bull employee says publicly on a personal social media that they are glad the update worked and one day it will be reported what this upgrade included and it will blow everyone's minds. This is what they've said
In the sense that it was bigger than what declared ? or maybe a very significant weight loss ?
He says specifically "what they changed" will "blow everyone's minds"

I imagine that the upgrade included something that's out of the ordinary scope for in-season performance upgrades.

It's also quite likely that it will take a few rounds before they get close to optimising this car

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organic wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 22:22
venkyhere wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 21:28
lio007 wrote:
28 Jun 2026, 20:48

I wonder when the day will come, but the more important thing will be the one to reveal it. It's hard to believe D. is going to do it... but time will tell.
It will be more important to find out if Austria was a one-off or if the trend continues.
There is much more downforce on the car than the previous 7 rounds. From what I saw of T4-5-6-7, I am convinced. Needs more though, not as good as the Mercedes/Ferrari, evidenced by T9.
Tbh I think t9 is a rear suspension issue that's causing poor high speed performance
This would align with some post-race comments of Verstappen:

"I had brake issues the entire race and, for half the race, problems with the rear of the car. At a certain point, it just stopped complying. That just costs time... It definitely didn’t feel good anymore ... You don’t have traction anymore. It bounces a lot. You simply can’t go over the kerbs properly, and it just doesn’t rebound
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/verstapp ... -cost-time

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Have redbull changed their gear ratios?

Max and GP were sort of going back and forth on radio regarding which gears to use for certain corners.

Will check later if they went with shorter ratios or not.
I learn from the mistakes of people who take my advice...

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Different gear ratios could explain the comment "You will never guess what we had to change" (or something like that I read somewhere)

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Sergej
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Wasn't reported during testing that Red Bull had chosen short gear ratios to enhance recharging in slow speed corners ? maybe they found this was not the right way to go and changed gear ratios.

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Except there is nothing jaw dropping about changing gear ratios, no one would be shocked.

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Mekies mentioned they also made changes to the PU.

I think they had a significant PU software upgrade. Maybe gear ratios changed as well.

It was interesting to see the 4 RBPT drivers at or near the top of the max speed list, although not sure this was deployment related.

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There is some speculation in the paddock that the RBPT has the largest turbo diameter, or the most turbo airflow anyways. This may explain a few things that we are seeing.
  • ADUO results which indicate high peak power (but clearly not more overall PU performance than Merc).
  • Start struggles.
  • Driveability issues in low speed (turbo lag).
  • PU being very competitive at altitude in Austria (arguably a 100% match for Merc who had brand new PUs).
  • Slightly larger air-scoop, slightly larger exhaust diameter.
Nothing confirmed but I can see why people believe this to be true, it fits the rather confusing picture. Also if true it's stupid that turbo size is not accounted for in the ADUO calculation.