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manchild wrote:Q: Michael, you've qualified 7th, do you find that frustrating?

MSC: No, I've done it on purpose, to remind people that I'm 7 times WDC. Besides, I started feeling pain in my neck when they told me I've qualified 7th, so I don't know if I'll be able to race whole season.

:lol:

Ok for my point of view this going to be a very interesting race to watch
7 positions for schumi is more than good considering " a man with 3 years out of f1, a new team, a car not designed to his driving style liking a younger teammate , the First Race of the season in a Circuit that his teammate always performed ok. "And still managed to be into 10 ten. At the first race of the year!!! That sounds promising from my point of view, it's just we are reading too much into this first race. And for sure forgetting that this is Schumacher.. The 7 times champion. None of the current drivers have this. And some of you still posting nonsense comments. Come on; just enjoy the start of this new season. And stop this schumi bashing
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Let's wait for the race

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Did Sutil really use primes, I thought I saw him on softs doing two hot laps?

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NormanBates wrote:
Pandamasque wrote:Is there anywhere a full list yet of who will eat which tyre at the start?
+1: I'd like to know what kind of tyres webber was using: the gap between him and vettel suddenly widened in Q3, so either he's wearing hards, or he made a mistake in his lap (or vettel just pulled a magic lap out of his hat of tricks)
I think it was softs. Looked like a sector 2 mistake from the live timing.

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warmandog wrote:... Come on; just enjoy the start of this new season. And stop this schumi bashing

Let's wait for the race

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Caramba, Alex, if only things were that simple, I would be sleeping instead of checking who has got angered with whom. Bashing drivers is a national sport in some countries... so, compai, please, I beg you, get used to it.
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Vettel, very impressive!! That Redull is a beast! I wonder how comes Webber didn't get it to work as well or if he just made some mistakes.

For Schumacher and Rosberg; I said it weeks ago! Schumcaher is in no shape to beat Rosberg. Today's drivers are not the same! I wasn't even surprised that he only came within 0.3 of Rosberg. I hope all the Schumi fans will find hope in the race. lol

Massa now, I expected him to lengths Alonso in quali; Massa has shown to be an excellent qualifier over the years. So that's another little battle to watch in the race. Oh I forgot Hamilton ans Button, heheh, no need for comments. It's like pondering whether 2 + 2 = 4. :roll:

The first corner is going to be very exciting!
nacho wrote:Did Sutil really use primes, I thought I saw him on softs doing two hot laps?
Yeah he is on hard. no stripes on the tyres when I saw him.
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you can clearly see what is the difference in set up for a low qualy fuel out and out banzai run wich is
Q2 and a Race setup with the same fuel load in Q3 .As all seemed to err on the soft tyre side we got this very interesting bit of information.

So there IS time in that rideheight change for the slower corners,right ? as this seems to be the main difference when it comes to Q2 /Q3 setups.

I´m not surprised at all.

You just need to make sure to get into Q3 ,so in Q2 the car has to be taken to the extremes in terms of setup for a 1 lap high.

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marcush, that doesn't work like that. The cars are effectively in parc fermé as soon as Q1 changes. No set up changes are allowed between Q1 and the race other than front wing adjustments.
I am not amazed by F1 cars in Monaco. I want to see them driving in the A8 highway: Variable radius corners, negative banking, and extreme narrowings that Tilke has never dreamed off. Oh, yes, and "beautiful" weather tops it all.

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Good job Ferrari, the F10 does seem to be faster than it looks.

Great job by Vettel, but no surprise really.

Mercedes and McLaren really close, not surprised either.

Surprising that no Williams managed to make it into Q3, and a bit surprising Kubica and Sutil did instead. Looks like Williams could be stuck being a mid-field team this year once again.

Qualifying in this case isn't everything. Now tomorrow we will see which drivers can manage their fuel loads and tires the best.
Miguel wrote:
MattyT wrote:Yep cant say Im a fan of the compromised setups in Q3. Its still not the flat out fast as they can go Q3 we were after!
It's actually worse than fueled Q3! They were... conserving the tyres! What the heck? I hope it's just a Bahrain "feature".
Of course they were conserving tires, especially on a hot track like this. You will see the entire season drivers trying to conserve tires and pitting for as little tires as possible, so obviously Q3 will be compromised.
WhiteBlue wrote:I think that Sutil could be well placed with his hard tyres on P10. He can take a more agressive approach in the first 10 laps and that should give him an option to make some places while the soft runners will be struggling to keep their tyres from falling apart. In the end he should also have an edge with a lighter car on soft tyres. If he manages to keep out of clashes he could bring some good points home.

Massa beating Alonso was nice to see. Rosberg faster than Schumi was expected after the practise and Q1-Q2.

I think that Twobens will start on hard tyres.
Depending on track conditions, soft tires might be worse at the end of the race. Different teams making different predictions. Lets not forget what happened last year in Bahrain, when Toyota made the wrong tire choice and it eliminated any chance they had of winning their first race.
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pipex wrote:The Force India looks strong. Poor guys at McLaren, their faces said it all...
Now we only need to wait until Red Bull implements the "stalling" rear wing and the season is over hahaha.
Don't speak too soon. Quali is more detached from race pace than ever before.

Red Bull talk has been about their rear tyre degradation compared to everyone else.
If anything, Ferrari are looking the strongest for the race, going by their FP1 & FP2 long-run pace.

There's a very long race on tomoro that will shake up this grid quite heavily.
Exactly. Some people don't realize that no refueling means big chances in terms of strategy, and also how cars behave out on track, and how they handle tires. More stress is put on the brakes, suspension, the list goes on.

Reliability will be more important than ever, and the famous Newey unreliability is showing up again. Red Bull was very lucky last year to be relatively reliable, but they could easily end up this season back to 2008 levels of poor reliability. Both Vettel and Webber suffered different reliability issues during practice. Also the fact that the brake calipers on the RB6 are mounted at the bottom of the discs means more chance of reliability problems for Red Bull.

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Miguel wrote:marcush, that doesn't work like that. The cars are effectively in parc fermé as soon as Q1 changes. No set up changes are allowed between Q1 and the race other than front wing adjustments.
exactly!

so you can run the Car in Q3 only with race ride height!so it is clear that the car has less overall performance at least in the slower parts of the circuit where downforce is not lowering the car to ideal rh.

BUT you can whatever you like do in Q1 and Q2 so there are options to lower the car for those two sessions .

Q1 is in my view the first section of the Qualy ,right? parc ferme starts with END of Q3 .You are allowed to work on the car till the end of qualy as far as I understand.

So ONLY Massa did improve from Q2 to Q3 ...by one tenth,Vettel lost 3 tenths ,Alonso and Schumacher 4 ,Hamilton and Button 5,Rosberg 6,kubica 9,Webber a whole second,and Sutil 1.4 due to the tyres now primes....

Has anyone noted who of the top ten guys did his run in Q2 on prime tyres?

I´d think Rosberg ,Kubica and especially Webber had major mishaps in their lap in Q3 wheras Massa seems to have had either a bit trouble in Q2 ..or did the ultimate lap in Q3..

my conclusion is there is some 3 tenths in setup lost when raising the car for race fuelloads ...this seems reasonable.
But it only reflects the one lap performance drop.I feel that at the end of the race the higher rideheights will put a lot of strain in the tyres as the car will
due to increased RH have more weight transfer so the tyres will get abused more...

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Schumacher -has 41 years and three years without competing- is three tenths of Nico. I think this is admirable. Alonso, four tenths behind Massa. Tomorrow may be many surprises with the degradation of tires. Engineers should monitor height between the car and the track. Greetings

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marcush. wrote: BUT you can whatever you like do in Q1 and Q2 so there are options to lower the car for those two sessions .
No, you can't.
I am not amazed by F1 cars in Monaco. I want to see them driving in the A8 highway: Variable radius corners, negative banking, and extreme narrowings that Tilke has never dreamed off. Oh, yes, and "beautiful" weather tops it all.

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Miguel wrote:
marcush. wrote: BUT you can whatever you like do in Q1 and Q2 so there are options to lower the car for those two sessions .
No, you can't.
+1

The speed differences we saw between Q2 and Q3 are down to various influences:
  • some have only 1 new soft tyre left, drivers must take less risk because they have only 1 lap to qualify
  • those who have two attempts make their first run on used softs and those times were not good enough
  • tyres had to be conserved for the race
Webber said after the quali that he made mistakes in the corners 18 and 19 and lost 0,55 s there.
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manchild wrote:Q: Michael, you've qualified 7th, do you find that frustrating?

MSC: No, I've done it on purpose, to remind people that I'm 7 times WDC. Besides, I started feeling pain in my neck when they told me I've qualified 7th, so I don't know if I'll be able to race whole season.
Come on, manchild. What a predictable exercise in Schumi bashing! Let me put an alternative scenario against that because I'm very confident your's will not happen. Michael will try to get the car better and will improve his qualifying speed. If he qualifies consistently behind Rosberg he could well have the better race pace to compensate. If Rosberg finishes the races higher he will support him in the championship fight.
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I'm wandering just how many wings will get knocked off in the first few corners!?!?

My guess is 4

:lol:
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Miguel wrote:marcush, that doesn't work like that. The cars are effectively in parc fermé as soon as Q1 changes. No set up changes are allowed between Q1 and the race other than front wing adjustments.

I took the time and went through the regulations ,so you are right..wow ,that is really amazing.. no changes allowed after you started qualy....that i was not aware of this..thanks for the clarification.

maybe Jenson button should look into the regs as well,just look up that one:

I was reasonably happy with the car in P3, qualifying not so much, we tried a few different things, things we can change for the race which is good, but I struggled with the balance."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82101
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