EU slams Ferrari over Marlboro partnership

[autogyro]

The truth is that one ten year old in Africa has to work ALL YEAR, without school and in constant exposure to tobacco for the same amount of money PER YEAR that would buy ONE packet of Malboro cigarettes. Ferrari runs its F1 team and promotes its road cars on this modern slavery.
This is the truth.

[flynfrog]

The truth is that one ten year old in Africa has to work ALL YEAR, without school and in constant exposure to tobacco for the same amount of money PER YEAR that would buy ONE packet of Malboro cigarettes. Ferrari runs its F1 team and promotes its road cars on this modern slavery.
This is the truth.

would you rather he make nikes or sew soccer balls maybe he can dig for diamonds. Oh I know he can help mine Tantalum so we can make solar cells and save the earth. Tobaco is the least of that areas problems.

[010010011010]

The truth is that one ten year old in Africa has to work ALL YEAR, without school and in constant exposure to tobacco for the same amount of money PER YEAR that would buy ONE packet of Malboro cigarettes. Ferrari runs its F1 team and promotes its road cars on this modern slavery.
This is the truth.

Heres a suggestion, Do something yourself. Talk is cheap.

[ecapox]

I bet most of us here have clothes that are made by the same little children......

or toys

or furniture

or rugs

[andrew]

The mercury that you'll want in you eco light bulbs have to come from somewhere.

Sad fact of life is someone has to be at the bottom being ripped off, that is how the world works. We can't all be millionaires sitting in the sun supping a beer or three. I don't like it as much as the next person, but I just accept it as that is the way things are.

[autogyro]

The truth is that one ten year old in Africa has to work ALL YEAR, without school and in constant exposure to tobacco for the same amount of money PER YEAR that would buy ONE packet of Malboro cigarettes. Ferrari runs its F1 team and promotes its road cars on this modern slavery.
This is the truth.

Heres a suggestion, Do something yourself. Talk is cheap.

I have but I do not make a big thing of it, have you?
I am doing something now as well.
Bringing attention to illegal tobacco advertising and promotion and those who live off the exploitation of 21st century slave labour.
F1 needs to address these issues. Not just to help the innocent but for its own sake in the future. Sticking your heads back under the sand is not going to make these things go away and with modern communication there is soon going to be a seismic shift in public opinion.

[andrew]

The truth is that one ten year old in Africa has to work ALL YEAR, without school and in constant exposure to tobacco for the same amount of money PER YEAR that would buy ONE packet of Malboro cigarettes. Ferrari runs its F1 team and promotes its road cars on this modern slavery.
This is the truth.

Heres a suggestion, Do something yourself. Talk is cheap.

I have but I do not make a big thing of it, have you?
I am doing something now as well.
Bringing attention to illegal tobacco advertising and promotion and those who live off the exploitation of 21st century slave labour.
F1 needs to address these issues. Not just to help the innocent but for its own sake in the future. Sticking your heads back under the sand is not going to make these things go away and with modern communication there is soon going to be a seismic shift in public opinion.

What's the thing you don't want to make a big thing about? Not looking to take the michael or anything and it is admirable that you are doing something but the world is sadly messed up so much that very little can be done. If it were up to me tobbacco would be an illegal susbtance but it isn't and it is generally sociable acceptable. That ain't right, but what can you do?

Anyway, back to the topic, I havn't seen much at all about this other than passing coments and one off articles on some websites. I'm quite surprised that this hasn't been made a bigger issue of.

[autogyro]

Start by agreeing that Ferrari is wrong to take money from tobacco and attempt to cover up the truth. F1 has enough to deal with on the green issues, without being labeled as a dealer in slavery and cancer death.

[feynman]

Heres a suggestion, Do something yourself. Talk is cheap.

He is not interested in doing anything himself.
It is just cheap-signaling. The point is not to help anyone, to improve anything, to expend any effort, to make any positive contribution - merely to show us how superior he is to all us crass pricks.

Raising awareness ... by that he means safe, sophomoric touristing in the grinding poverty of others for nothing more than points-scoring and gainsaying on an anonymous internet forum.
Utterly unpleasant behaviour. A forum joke, a man that turned himself into a punchline.
If you can't have any self-respect, then at least have the decency to show respect for those real people whose suffering you cheaply throw-around as chips in a conceited game of messageboard self-satisfaction. You exhibit no trace of compassion in any of your responses, you spit their adversity and anguish through snarling teeth. Pure ego.


Andrew, you should have spent the extra and got the BS-3000 Nano, as well as automatic overload-protection, it also has GPS and 3G.

[Giblet]

Myself and 12 other people went door to door for a year and raised enough money to convince two logging companies from logging the remaining cut blocks that the remaining 30 pairs of Western Spotted Owls in the world lived, effectively saving an entire species.

My only point is this: Being defeatist means you have already lost before you have even played the game. You can't fight every battle, but if you pick one and fight it in the best possible way, you can move mountains.

[andrew]

Start by agreeing that Ferrari is wrong to take money from tobacco and attempt to cover up the truth. F1 has enough to deal with on the green issues, without being labeled as a dealer in slavery and cancer death.

I'm not going to single out one company as it is accross the board that big business gets its money buy ripping someone off and taking advantage of both consumers and those less fortunate than ourselves. I think seeing celebrities and actors in soaps smoking, taking drugs etc is a lot worse as younger people genuinely look up to these folk and pay attention to them. And what about the silver McLaren? The colour is down to a sponsor that they don't want to name. Surely that must be West? Not just Ferrari that MAY be benefitting by tobacco maney. None of us know the details of their agreement with Philip Morris, but if anyone does please divulge the details so we don't have to speculate.

[andrew]

Myself and 12 other people went door to door for a year and raised enough money to convince two logging companies from logging the remaining cut blocks that the remaining 30 pairs of Western Spotted Owls in the world lived, effectively saving an entire species.

Well done! Protecting woodlands against logging is something I am all for. I am about the only person in my office that is against Trump's golf course resort (Trumpton) which is to be built on a SSSI and the Aberdeen Western Peripheral Route. Sort of thing it is not good to mention unfortunately.

Andrew, you should have spent the extra and got the BS-3000 Nano, as well as automatic overload-protection, it also has GPS and 3G.

I'll get one this weekend!

[010010011010]

I have but I do not make a big thing of it, have you?

You dont make a big thing of it? thats a first. And no i haven't done anything other than a few charity gigs.

To be honest im with feynman on this.

[andartop]

The truth is that one ten year old in Africa has to work ALL YEAR, without school and in constant exposure to tobacco for the same amount of money PER YEAR that would buy ONE packet of Malboro cigarettes. Ferrari runs its F1 team and promotes its road cars on this modern slavery.
This is the truth.

So, at a cost of about 3 billion USD per year for all the F1 teams (in 2006, according to wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One), an estimated cost of a pack of Marlboros at about 5 USD (I have no clue exactly how much they cost in the US but I guess cheaper than in the UK), and a very gross life expectancy of 60 years (again, no clue about average figures in Africa but that seems roughly acceptable), had a bunch of rich boys decided to donate that money to these poor children rather than spend every other weekend racing very fast and expensive cars round and round in circles so you and me can entertain ourselves watching them on the TV and betting on who will crash out first to make an extra 20 bucks to treat ourselves a cold beer, about 10.000.000 of these children would not have to work for death-selling companies like Marlboro throughout their whole lives.

To repeat it again so you get it, if F1 did not run for one year, 10.000.000 of these children would not have to work for a lifetime.

And you are a fan of F1.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why don't you stop supporting F1 now, stop watching the races, stop posting in F1-related internet forums?

[Rob W]

At the risk of seeming like an attempt at flaming is, most of the great F1 teams in history have done exactly what Ferrari are doing. Legally Ferrari may be the only remaining team doing business with the ciggie companies but until very recently McLaren, Williams, Renault etc were doing exactly the same - for decades in some cases.

Morally you could argue Ferrari really aren't in a worse position than any of the companies which owe their success to the masses money given to them by ciggie companies. They are here today because they were willing to partner with ciggie companies long after they were known to be corrupt as hell.

But, this isn't really a Ferrari vs other teams issue, it's a Ferrari vs the intentions of tobacco advertising restrictions and their true Italian style thumbing their noses at them.