Why hamilton is so good at overtaking

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ringo wrote:Well that could be based on how they exit the last turn. Hamilton runs very close to his qualifying pace in the race for a good amount of time. Button's qualifying pace may be a bit to on edge for him to use constantly in the race, if at all.
Actually, Button's fastest race lap is better than Hamilton's. He also was able to give Hamilton a good run before the final corners in the race.
Also, 7kph difference is IMO a bit to much for slightly better exit.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b8D0g0SmB0[/youtube]

KERS? HERS? F-Duct?

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Paul wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b8D0g0SmB0[/youtube]

KERS? HERS? F-Duct?
Actually, nothing special there from him. Other guys were too busy with themselves and Lewis just owned best line. Some Turkey stuff from the other vid was better.

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I agree. Nothing special from him. Usual Hamilton. :wink:

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Paul wrote:I agree. Nothing special from him. Usual Hamilton. :wink:
Umm no.
E.g. here
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUeqylGWjq8[/youtube]

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Oh, yeah, the Canada sandpit. Not quite Maggotts, do you agree?

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Paul wrote:Oh, yeah, the Canada sandpit. Not quite Maggotts, do you agree?
Different corner, same situation -- two guys are fighting, third takes both by surprise.
Note that in both cases the overtaking driver got the best line.

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timbo wrote:
Paul wrote:Oh, yeah, the Canada sandpit. Not quite Maggotts, do you agree?
Different corner, same situation -- two guys are fighting, third takes both by surprise.
Note that in both cases the overtaking driver got the best line.
I agree Timbo, but I think you can only see it if you take the Fanboy glasses off :D
More could have been done.
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And corner makes all the difference. :roll: Interesting, how would people here describe a good/brilliant overtake? Because as far as I can see for some any role played by a straight devaluates it, for others if there are more than two drivers involved...

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You want to see a great overtake?

This is a great manouvre, note how Da Micheal nearly put him on the grass first time round. And eau rouge flat in a V10? You betcha....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5h-HTv9d4c[/youtube]
More could have been done.
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Remember that well. Both drivers loved it. The battles those 2 had were amazing. Both amazing drivers but also a huge respect for each other.

Pity Hakkinen won't come out of retirement.

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Hakkinen should've gone to Ferrari to put manners on Schumi :lol:
More could have been done.
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Exactly. And somehow the facts that it was carried out on the straight and there was Zonta in the middle don't devaluate it. Yet same things make Hamilton's overtakes worthless. That's why I want to understand which boxes should be ticked for an overtake to be great.

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Oh dear paul, there was no magic KERS, or F-duct here.
Eau rouge flat is what did it, and the Ferrari of 2000 was a better car in general.


The only reason Hakkinen managed it was because there was a tow from 2 cars.
Not only that, but Hakkinen had to veer right almost unsighted at 200mph whilst Schumacher went left, split by a bewildered Zonta.

On top of that Schumacher had the grippy side of the track, thats why hakkinen waited till the last possible moment to pull out a a much slower Zonta's slipstream.....to get the extra speed needed to overtake Schumacher on the dirtier side!

You saw the lap before what happens if you try to take Schumacher on the inside, its why this stands tall among great manouvres.

It was for the lead of a race, and for a championship that Mika pushed micheal hard on.
By all measures its a titan.
More could have been done.
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timbo wrote:
ringo wrote:Well that could be based on how they exit the last turn. Hamilton runs very close to his qualifying pace in the race for a good amount of time. Button's qualifying pace may be a bit to on edge for him to use constantly in the race, if at all.
Actually, Button's fastest race lap is better than Hamilton's. He also was able to give Hamilton a good run before the final corners in the race.
Also, 7kph difference is IMO a bit to much for slightly better exit.
You are looking at a race where, Button lap times were very good compared to lewis because he was in clean air. The lap time doesn't give away a lot of info pertaining to each and every corner.
Hamilton may well go through some corners faster than Button, only to be slowed by the redbull for some parts of the track.
I am judging corner exits based on who could stick onto the back of a redbull coming out from them and attempting a pass. Hamilton had multiple opportunities on webber, where as Button was not close enough to Vettel.
Button's times could still be faster for the whole lap overall based on the fact he was a good distance away.
In all fairness to button, this track suits his driving, but looking through all the other races this year, Hamilton's race pace is distinctively faster. And from Mclaren telemetry his exits and top speeds are also higher.

I was expecting Button to be much faster than Hamilton here to tell the truth, because of the smooth high speed corners, but for some reason Hamilton doesn't seem to have any weaknesses here either.
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