Schumacher/Rosberg - the 2010 season unfolds

[WhiteBlue]

Schumacher is not at all comfortable with the car and the driving style required to get the most out of it, to the extent that former racing drivers like Brundle commentate on how he is driving tentatively and doesn't have confidence, with him reacting to the car rather than predicting what it will do.

I do not see Martin Brundle as an impartial expert there. He had his ass handed to him by Michael in his time and has never been in a championship campaign. He expected preferential treatment for his grid interviews and made some pretty hostile statements about Michael when that did not materialize. Anything Brundle says about Schumacher has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

[Giblet]

He is also considered to be the best teammate that he ever had for what it's worth. Brundle was not a slowpoke, and had some good results. He was battling with Senna in F3 until the last race for the title. He was the most successful driver with a non active suspension car when all the big boys had it. He drove big power cars in anger that few current F1 drivers have got to handle.

I don't know why he gets so bashed, he was a racer, had some decent results, then was stuck in crap teams and ones that got disqualified for much of his career.

He wasn't the greatest, but he sure was no slouch.

[andrew]

Brundle had a race winning car in the 1992 Benetton but instead of him winning, his rookie teammate did, at Spa of all places! There is a very good reason that Brundle never made it to a top team - he just wasn't that great as far as drivers go. Anyway, I would have said that Massa was Schumachers best team mate. Just as fast on his day and played the perfect number 2 without a word of complaint, unlike his vocal predocessor.

[tarzoon]

He just doesn't have the same luck like he did in his first career....

MS was a good driver and he was also very lucky in many of those iffy moments.

The guy wins 7 WDCs, works out 4 hours/day in the gym, visits the factory constantly, calls the engineers almost every day, lives obsessed with F1, is as competitive as it gets

and you still call him lucky?

[ISLAMATRON]

Bahrain - solid first race after 3 years
Australia - ahead of Nico before being punted off by Alonso
Malaysia - His wheel fell off after making a decent start
China - Poor race by his standards but he destroyed his tyres not having used modern inters before
Spain - crackin race and comfortably beat Nico
Monaco - Beat Nico comfortably
Turkey - Beat Nico comforably
Canada - beating Nico comforatably until a puncture
Europe - beating Nico comfortably until pit red light

Nico outqualled him in Monaco and was only behind him because of the stupid staggered grids putting the higher qualifier on the dirty side, And Rosberg didnt cheat and so therefore finished ahead and took the weekend.

MS was his own worst enemy in Canada and deserved a penalty for that weekend,or the next.

Like I said 7:2 for Rosberg, MS is looking desperate out there... maybe someone should open a thread asking how desperate

I thought you said point don't matter when we were discussing Hamilton but they do when it is Schumacher? Strange that....

When in any of my posts did I ever reference the points standings between the two?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Anyway getting this thread BACK ON TOPIC.

The whole comparison will basically boil down to tyre management with the W01.
Schumacher hasnt been totally outclassed and nor has Rosberg.

Both are dealing with a car that is fast, but consumes its tyres too quickly.
Around Monaco you could see the hustle style Schumacher prefers to smooth driving was still there for all to see. Its no co-incidence he outdrove Rosberg that day either.

People can bang on about cars being the same etc, but the characteristics of the cars will certainly suit one over the other.
But the fact remains the car both these drivers use, has a fundamental tyre issue that cannot be resolved by updates or wheel base extensions.
Also, what does a 41 year old 7 time champ need to do in his first 9 races after 3 years out that a 1 time world champ in his prime couldn't last year?
Because Lewis was blitzing everyone last year in the first 9 races right???
Some driver....

[myurr]

Also, what does a 41 year old 7 time champ need to do in his first 9 races after 3 years out that a 1 time world champ in his prime couldn't last year?
Because Lewis was blitzing everyone last year in the first 9 races right???
Some driver....

How about not being outscored 3 to 1 by his team mate?

Last year you could see that the McLaren was a complete dog, but Lewis was still able to pull out some good results from it. Ignoring the stupid lying incident in Australia, he still managed to from the back of the grid to the front. Despite the car you never felt that Lewis was ever getting less than the maximum out of it.

This year it has been clear that Rosberg has been the fastest driver in most races and, for whatever reason, was able to get more out of the car than Schumacher. MSc in his prime would not have let that happen.

And to those disagreeing with Brundle - yes sometimes he can be a little bit biased, but when you're able to watch MSc's on board camera with Brundle pointing out the places where he's hesitating and reacting to the car rather than predicting what it will do it is obvious that what he is saying is true. And like him or not, Brundle is a more successful and talented driver than anyone on this board, and that even when you disagree with him you should at least respect his opinion.

[marcush.]

I definitively see Schumacher as the one not playing a conservative card in the races,compared to Rosberg.
like him or not he has tried everything ,sometimes they simply went overboard with taking chances or were too cheeky or smart what have you .sometime he simply had a lack of knowledge ...with Intermediates ,for example.
And both drivers are at a loss to make the tyres work.
so it burns down to Nico having the upper hand in Qualy and Schumacher being more the racer .
Is he as quick as he was back then ...no ,I don´t think so .but he´s not a joke ,far from it.give him a car that is capable of winning and he will deliver.end of story.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

How about not being outscored 3 to 1 by his team mate?

Last year you could see that the McLaren was a complete dog

You comparing Rosberg to Kovalainen? Kovalainen has spilled some of the beans on his sentance at Mclaren...first being that he only got his race strategy once the Mclaren boys sorted Lewis out....EVERYTIME.

And whats the diffs between the first half of the season with Mercedes and Mclaren? None so far as I can tell from results.

Some people herald Lewis as the Messiah, which he is not. It was ok for him to use Stolen tech, and also to lie, and also to have the full might of Mclaren( ie always guaranteed a winning car at some point in the year) but its not okay for Schumacher to be mediocre in a comeback year in a car that cannot use its tyres correctly?

Wait till Mercedes can compete with a car that doesnt have an inherrent handicap(tyre usage), and you will see Schumacher has never been away.

[RacingManiac]

He just doesn't have the same luck like he did in his first career....

MS was a good driver and he was also very lucky in many of those iffy moments.

The guy wins 7 WDCs, works out 4 hours/day in the gym, visits the factory constantly, calls the engineers almost every day, lives obsessed with F1, is as competitive as it gets

and you still call him lucky?

No I know all that, but he has a lot of luck a lot of times. My comment was never meant to be a negative. Luck was part of his package. His single point in 2003 in Suzuka, his rival's car breaks down in dying moment of races, his team mates that has car problem but not him. Sometime people are that good they make their own luck, but sometimes the sun just shine on him that much more often then the other guy. He was rarely the one that gets f-ed by strategy SNAFU, or gets bitten by errant safety car timing, or the guy with the puncture, or the one with a wheel falling off his car. But in this one season he got all that.....

[ISLAMATRON]

LH is outqualling JB the same way he did HK... JB is just a little better & alot luckier in the races than HK, but(JB) is still getting his ass handed to him week in and week out, just like MS is.

HK had his chance and just was not good enough, and he isnt doing all that well vs Truilli

Rosberg is embarassing MS

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[marcush.]

isn´t it amazing that you can easily find people that are at ease bashing others ,having no issue blaming others being at guilt for biased perspective but in the same sentance sprouting BIASED in big letters all over them...

[Shaddock]

You comparing Rosberg to Kovalainen?

Why not?

Both were hired as a number 2 driver, with the expectation that they would support the teams better paid and higher profile number 1 driver. Lewis was hired as a number 2 to do the same job with Alonso in his first year of F1.

The trouble is that only HK lived up to his billing as a number 2. LH & FA went head to head with no clear winner, and Rosberg is embarrassing Shumi and Mercedes by showing the 'old timer' the way home.

I'm not anti Shumi, he was a great driver, one of the best ever, but this reminds me a bit of Mansell's aborted comeback at McLaren, both trying to re-capture the glory of the past.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

your bias is what stinks around here

Bias and stink are things you evidently know alot about, but I digress....What does a 1 time champ have on a 7 time champ?
ARGUMENT OVER
Now please keep this Rosberg/Schumacher related and leave out your idol, as its really irritating to have you keep spoiling threads with your insults to other posters cos they dont agree with you.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

You comparing Rosberg to Kovalainen?

Why not?

Both were hired as a number 2 driver, with the expectation that they would support the teams better paid and higher profile number 1 driver. Lewis was hired as a number 2 to do the same job with Alonso in his first year of F1.

The trouble is that only HK lived up to his billing as a number 2. LH & FA went head to head with no clear winner, and Rosberg is embarrassing Shumi and Mercedes by showing the 'old timer' the way home.

I'm not anti Shumi, he was a great driver, one of the best ever, but this reminds me a bit of Mansell's aborted comeback at McLaren, both trying to re-capture the glory of the past.

Shaddock

Jock Clear would not be keeping quiet if his man was told to be no2.