Alonso full of mistakes.

[siskue2005]

In Canada you only had to look at Massa to see how well Alonso was doing. I couldn't find the least mistake at Canada. The in-lap ahead of the second stop was only shown partly, so naming that fight with a slower car a mistake is rather far fetched.

First of all, MAssa was taken out in the 1st corner
If u see the laptimes, Massa was as fast or faster than Alonso most of the time

Alonso made mistakes loosing 1st an 2nd places in the process

He was stupid enough to think that he can go one the outside of the hairpin to overtake Buemi(NOT A BACKMARKER at the point) with Lewis so close behind him....and lost the race lead

and loosing second place to Button...too impatient with the backmarkers (maybe he was angling for a hand waving for Chandok )

If it was MS or Lewis in that Ferrari , they would not have lost 2 positions and lost the race win

This was a low D/f track ...and Ferrari have lack of D/f compared to Mclarens....thats why they were close to Mclarens here
Lets see what happens in the next race

[internetf1fan]

And more mistakes from Alonso today. Bad start and blatant cutting of the corner to overtake. Doesn't look like 2xWDC to me at the moment.

[timbo]

And more mistakes from Alonso today. Bad start and blatant cutting of the corner to overtake. Doesn't look like 2xWDC to me at the moment.

As for bad start -- odd part of the grid all lost positions today.
Dunno the reason ,maybe somebody leaked some oil in the support races?

[gridwalker]

All 4 wheels off of the track when overtaking : he should KNOW that he should give back the position immediately ... it's hardly as if he is a rookie!

[timbo]

All 4 wheels off of the track when overtaking : he should KNOW that he should give back the position immediately ... it's hardly as if he is a rookie!

Technically he was already in front of Kubica, and maybe there was a contact.
But ,yeah, a deserved penalty.

[rjsa]

And more mistakes from Alonso today. Bad start and blatant cutting of the corner to overtake. Doesn't look like 2xWDC to me at the moment.

As for bad start -- odd part of the grid all lost positions today.
Dunno the reason ,maybe somebody leaked some oil in the support races?

Not entirely true, Massa had a good start and got botched by Alonso.

[myurr]

And more mistakes from Alonso today. Bad start and blatant cutting of the corner to overtake. Doesn't look like 2xWDC to me at the moment.

As for bad start -- odd part of the grid all lost positions today.
Dunno the reason ,maybe somebody leaked some oil in the support races?

Not entirely true, Massa had a good start and got botched by Alonso.

It was only the first two cars on that side that struggled, and Alonso had a shocker of a start.

[ringo]

All 4 wheels off of the track when overtaking : he should KNOW that he should give back the position immediately ... it's hardly as if he is a rookie!

It's prince Alonso, as long as he feels he doesn't have to give back a place, he doesn't have to.
Ferrari are very unlucky, but the drivers are to blame for putting them in this kind of situation.
Alonso needs to relax, his start was very poor, even allowing kubica through. Ferrari's strategy was poor as well, they should have copied Mclaren.

[rjsa]

Princess I'd say.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwVHQduVYKE

[ringo]

He wants to cry to himself in the darkness of his helmet.

[Rob W]

All 4 wheels off of the track when overtaking : he should KNOW that he should give back the position immediately ... it's hardly as if he is a rookie!

Technically he was already in front of Kubica, and maybe there was a contact.
But ,yeah, a deserved penalty.

It should be clear - if you pass someone and can't clear the next corner it isn't really much of an overtake is it?

I for one think the penalty was justified. Whether or not Kubica retired is irrelevant to me. Alonso made a pass or avoided being passed by driving off the track. He either gives the place back within a short time-frame (a lap would be ideal) or it becomes a stewards decision. From that point it shouldn't matter what happens out on the track. A penalty shouldn't be determined by how long it takes the stewards to look at and decide on.

[segedunum]

Well, serious questions need to be asked. After what happened to Hamilton in 2008 there was a clear understanding that if you pass someone by going off the circuit then you give the position back. I don't buy that the penalty wasn't justified. He would have avoided it had he had his brain in gear. His start was also extremely poor - again.

What's even more concerning is Alonso's mental stability. He's been told repeatedly over the radio to calm down and worse, he seems to be dragging Massa down with him probably through internal politiking. It's as if Alonso has to be kept in check, and Ferrari aren't doing it properly.

[Giblet]

He also told the crew, for the second time this year, to not talk to him on the radio.

[WhiteBlue]

I thought that the penalty on Alonso was debatable. He could have come away from that pass without penalty, but the stewards took another view. It is their prerogative. Bottom line: Fernando gambled to not get penalized and lost. Basically fair deal there.

The thing that wasn't fair was the time that it took the stewards to come to the decision and the knock on effect the safety car had on the failure to swiftly make a judgement. This was by no means Alonso's mistake. So I think the whole issue belongs more in a thread about the stewarding at Silverstone.

What was Alonso's role in the two collisions (with Massa and Liuzzi if I'm right)? I did not see if he did ok there. I have not seen any analysis of his driving there and would like to know if he did ok.

[rich1701]

Penalties handed out over the past two races really show how unfit for purpose they really are. Because in both cases the punishment was not equal to the offence. I think suitable time penalties should be applied after the race. I think a 5 second penalty added to alonso's race time at silverstone would of been a far more appropriate punishment.

As for alonso's performances this year, it has probably been his most inconsistent season in his career. I do think he feels the pressure of driving for Ferrari it does mean a great deal to him. And I do think he is missing the support of a team boss like flavio briatore to an extent. He is still a driver the team can build around, something that raikkonen never was and i think as that relationship improves within the team, the more settled Alonso will be. He really needs a win soon though to make this happen.