Mercedes AMG F1 W03

[ringo]

Its been explained by scarbs in his like 4 fw-f-duct posts why and how they would stall a fw.

This is something that has to be illustrated.. logically.

About a tube running through the car from the end plate, that is far fetched as well.

[Blackout]

[ringo]

i feel it's in the end plates.



passively working with the starter hole cowl and the opening under the intake.

[Owen.C93]

I think the shot above shows that the duct is in fact just from above the diffuser and it is an alternative to blowing the starter motor hole.

[Huntresa]

Its been explained by scarbs in his like 4 fw-f-duct posts why and how they would stall a fw.

This is something that has to be illustrated.. logically.

About a tube running through the car from the end plate, that is far fetched as well.

Have you even read the first article he wrote about the FW-F-Duct last year? Do that and then come back. He explains what and how stalling FW works there.

And yes its rly farfetched.

[siskue2005]

1. didnt the teams achieve the exact same but opposite effect in 2010? from top of the nose to rear wing?? why cant it be do the opposite....it could be a fluidic switch where air flows from the tip of nose through to the endplate hole where it bleeds out when DRS is open

The fluid switch would have been located on the air box, a much shorter and less contorted route than what is now being proposed. This is an almost impossible pneumatic objective.

2. From the nose hole!

Too small. Also the air flow must make at least three 90 deg bends losing 60% of its flow velocity along the way.

Brian

Didn't they achieve something similar in 2010
From the front suspension area, a very small opening (much smaller than the fw nose hole) to the rear wing with four 90degree turns and still managed to stall the entire rear wing

[hardingfv32]

i feel it's in the end plates.
passively working with the starter hole cowl and the opening under the intake.

You will need to expand on your idea to make this configuration believable.

1) You are using the flow for what benefit?

2) We have pretty good pictures of the intake plenum. There is no indication the the hole below the intake is being routed to the rear.

Brian

[hardingfv32]

Didn't they achieve something similar in 2010
From the front suspension area, a very small opening (much smaller than the fw nose hole) to the rear wing with four 90degree turns and still managed to stall the entire rear wing

I guess before going further you should state what team you are talking about.

I do not recall any team using flow from the nose in 2010.

Brian

[Gridlock]

I think he's talking about a little innovation called the f-duct. I'm sure you can find it on the goggle.

[Marc.W]

i feel it's in the end plates.



passively working with the starter hole cowl and the opening under the intake.

The air is going to find the easiest way out though which wouldn't be in the end plates, This is why I think is why it makes more sense that when the DRS is open the air gets fed into the end plates and down to the bottom plane like the image I posted a few pages ago

[hardingfv32]

I think he's talking about a little innovation called the f-duct. I'm sure you can find it on the goggle.

If we are talking about the mythical Mercedes front wing duct there is no evidence that it ever existed. All you have is a nose hole that had always been there, absolutely nothing else.

Brian

[siskue2005]

Didn't they achieve something similar in 2010
From the front suspension area, a very small opening (much smaller than the fw nose hole) to the rear wing with four 90degree turns and still managed to stall the entire rear wing

I guess before going further you should state what team you are talking about.

I do not recall any team using flow from the nose in 2010.

Brian

Merc's Fduct was routed from small opening in front of the suspension to the rear wing to blow it.

[aral]

Now speculation will go overboard.

AT the end of the day, any such system is only going to provide a false picture of the cars true speed. It can be used in qualifying, and might get a better grid position, but come the race, it is useless until the Merc is close enough to make a pass. Therefore the cars TRUE speed is being disguised by its quali performance.

[Gridlock]

I think he's talking about a little innovation called the f-duct. I'm sure you can find it on the goggle.

If we are talking about the mythical Mercedes front wing duct there is no evidence that it ever existed. All you have is a nose hole that had always been there, absolutely nothing else.

Brian[/]

Yes, yes, Brian Argument Number 78. Unfortunately you've missed the point twice now: go and look up the original F Duct, estimate the size of the entry hole, estimate how many 90deg bends it has to route through.

[skgoa]

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=14795526

I think the shot above shows that the duct is in fact just from above the diffuser and it is an alternative to blowing the starter motor hole.

And it's an ingenious idea. Good job, Mercedes!