Mercedes AMG F1 W03

[clipsy1H]

you compare MERC wtih McLaren we know can't beat them so compare Merc with RBR or Ferrari.

[pocketmoon]

IMO All the stints sucked. The F-Duct looks like it's great for Quali but the W03 looks just as far behind McLaren and RB as last year. Even Alonso was held up - once past Nico he was 0.5s quicker. I guess I was hoping for a podium that wasn't just the usual suspects

far behind RB? sure not... Schumacher manage situation with Vettel and im sure if Seb overtake him Michael can stay behind him with DRS open.
Car is good in QUALI and ok in Race they need to do something cuz in Race cant use f-duct all time mb in China Merc will have a new exhaust position


EDIT: mb= maybe

mb

But you can't argue that Schumi was dropping 1s/lap from the button (and that wasn't tyre degredation) and when Vettel went past he was gaining +0.5s. Thats just the sort of gulf in race pace the W03 had.

[Ferraripilot]

I don't think it's fair to judge race pace this early, especially when there was a self-confessed issue with the tires not being heated properly during the race.

[NewtonMeter]

I can not believe, with all due respect, that you be so blind.
The car can be "a plane" on Qualy but, what counts (actually) is the race. Consequently, you need a perfect race pace and this car has not it. That is a fact!
Compare the lap times between But and Ros before the Safety Car.

It's impossible to solve this loss race pace (more than 1 second per lap) only with the settings of the car. Be realistic friends, this car has not been well designed and the only chance of a podium is having adverse weather conditions or some fluke in race.

Oh no sonny, that is a speculation, based on a single race weekend on a track that's known to give topsy-turvey results (now THAT's a fact, see the difference?).

If it were the bridgestone year's, I'd agree that defecit was difficult to surmount. But incase you hadn't noticed. These are pirellis. A tyre that's known to have a degredation cliff that gets amplified when outside the optimal temperature range (another example of an actual fact). That cliff may very easily account for up to half a second in laptime (granted, THAT's a speculation - but I have supreme confidence in putting that statement in front of a current race engineer).

Please wait until a few races in before you toll the funeral bell.

[clipsy1H]

we saw Schumacher few laps so nobody know what happen if Vettel overtake w03 is a huge step forward.

[Clubber]

As I've not seen it posted yet, Gary Anderson is pretty clear on the Merc DRS/F-duct solution:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17421227

Mercedes were the focus of controversy in Melbourne because of their DRS-operated 'F-duct' speed boost system.

I've been poking around near the car and it's clear how it works.

When the DRS overtaking aid opens on the rear wing, it reveals a hole in the endplates.

That allows the underneath of the front wing, which is at a low pressure, to suck air from there right through the car.

It goes down the endplates, along the lower beam wing, through some pipes and ducting in the cockpit, down the front wing pillars, into the front wing and out of a slots on the bottom of the front wing.

That reduces the front downforce of the car, which has two effects.

It cuts drag, therefore boosting straight-line speed even more than it already would be just by opening the DRS flap.

But it also makes the car more balanced front to rear in high-speed corners in practice and qualifying, where DRS use is free, because the main problem with F1 cars in fast corners is they have too much front downforce.

They'll have a restrictor in there that they can change from track to track depending on need.

Unless it's banned, the others will probably all have something similar on by Barcelona in May - but it's a very expensive thing for a small gain.

It means new rear-wing endplates and tubes in the beam wing and through the car, plus lots of new rear-wing endplates. You're looking at £150-200,000 to develop it.

And all the others will have to move their DRS actuation system. On the Mercedes it's in the rear-wing endplates, which is what allows them to have the hole, which otherwise is illegal. The others all have theirs in the centre of the wing.

I'm not sure they get that much advantage out of it.

Their straight line speed is not as good as the McLaren, which has the same engine and the car is not as consistent.

If it did really work well you might get 0.1-0.2secs a lap, which is a lot of time, but how much engineering has gone in to get that to work, and is it always helping you?

Those are the questions that will be asked.

[siskue2005]

Gary anderson was the Idiot who posted the there is no front wing connection only the rear wing main plane was stalled along with the drs flap

This FW stalling along with rear wing DRS was proposed by Scarbs long long long ago
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/

So now he just copies Scarb's idea and posts as his

[Clubber]

Indeed. However, unlike most he's actually been there and seen it in the flesh...

[godlameroso]

Technically it was Mercedes AMG's idea.

[siskue2005]

Indeed. However, unlike most he's actually been there and seen it in the flesh...

Even Scarbs was in the paddock and seen it in flesh

[Mr.S]

I can not believe, with all due respect, that you be so blind.
The car can be "a plane" on Qualy but, what counts (actually) is the race. Consequently, you need a perfect race pace and this car has not it. That is a fact!
Compare the lap times between But and Ros before the Safety Car.



First Stint: Average Button lap time (16 laps): 1:35.200
Average Rosberg lap time (12 laps): 1:36.966
Time per lap: -1.766 (doing a shorter stint)
Second Stint: Average Button lap time (20 laps): 1:33.654
Average Rosberg lap time (19 laps): 1:34.911
Time per lap: -1.257 (doing a shorter stint)

*And McLaren say they were saving fuel due to a calculation erratic.

It's impossible to solve this loss race pace (more than 1 second per lap) only with the settings of the car. Be realistic friends, this car has not been well designed and the only chance of a podium is having adverse weather conditions or some fluke in race.

I am afraid you can not play that game mate. If during the 2nd stint Button had to save fuel causing his pace to drop then in the 1st sting he was deliberately running lighter giving him more pace than he actually had. So if he was supposed to go faster in the 1st sting he was supposed to go slower in the 2nd stint.

Now Rosberg had poor race pace & was locked in mid-field battles battling tyre degradation. I dont think its a fair comparison but I would like to see the data for MSC from Lap 2 till the lap he retired. That will give a better idea. You cant choose Nico who had a bad race with older tyres in SC to the race winner JB.


Besides Aus does not say anything. And for sure it does not say who is the quickest. Malayasia will say it. In Qualifying in S2 in the high downforce corners Mercedes were the quickest or as quick as Mclaren. Ofcourse maybe DRS benefitted them but the car still had to have good downforce anyway.

Malayasia will tell the true story. I am however dissapointed in Mclaren,Red Bull & the leading runners. I expected better Qualy & Race pace,atleast close to last year's pace.

[aduka11]

Who cares how DRS works...

WHen Mercedes looks bad

[Huntresa]

Its pretty funny this, i mean Gary Anderson posting that now after Scarbs posted it and now Scarbs tweet this, " Lots of hints and pointers being given to me about the Mercedes F-Duct from designers within the sport, some research and drawings coming up" "It seems it might be the Rear Wing being stalled by the DRS duct after all. Looking for evidence now, so I'm getting ready to eat my words"

So Scarbs was prob wrong and Gary Anderson fails at copy+paste

[siskue2005]

Who cares how DRS works...

WHen Mercedes looks bad

[aduka11]

Who cares how DRS works...

WHen Mercedes looks bad

With tyre issues...


Not looking good.