Mercedes AMG F1 W03

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These are linear regressions eliminating the anomalies of the best pilots stints in FP2.

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I know it is not very representative (only need look at the stint of Maldonado). However it is clear that Schumy and Rosberg go together and that the degradation is similar to Button or Kimmi, albeit with worse times (I think that this is what happened in Melbourne). Like Schumy, I'm not too optimistic. The car still going fast in 1 lap but in long runs it's a trap! It's obvious that we don't know the charge of everyone, but I would prefer to be with faster times and not to be the worst in the graph.

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Mestrades wrote:These are linear regressions eliminating the anomalies of the best pilots stints in FP2.

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I know it is not very representative (only need look at the stint of Maldonado). However it is clear that Schumy and Rosberg go together and that the degradation is similar to Button or Kimmi, albeit with worse times (I think that this is what happened in Melbourne). Like Schumy, I'm not too optimistic. The car still going fast in 1 lap but in long runs it's a trap! It's obvious that we don't know the charge of everyone, but I would prefer to be with faster times and not to be the worst in the graph.
A DRS can give 1s with a 18-20 km boost. Whitemarsh says the FW F-duct can give a 6-8 km boost. Now Mercedes have a Rear Wing W-duct & the car is more stable too with the whole arrangement. I think they are gaining a SOLID 0.5s during Qualifying which is making them look too good.

I would say if the Qualifying is a 0.3-0.4s off the pace then in the race it would probably be 0.8-0.9s off the pace. That is my take.

They have a brilliant system. If this W-duct was yielding 1 or 2 tenths then Red Bull would not have been bitching so much. The car is an improvement but clearly not good enough.

I expected the W02 to be within 0.5s off the pace & if that was the case W03 would be 1-2 in Q3. Mechanically,traction wise & in the exhaust W02 needs a Solid Step Forward. I do feel that MSC inside is slightly dissapointed about the fact by Mugello or after most teams would copy this W-duct to some extent & then this advantage in Qualifying will be well gone.

I feel sad too. They have a got a Huge thing but cant take FULL advantage of it.

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Coefficient wrote:Well, I'm guessing that the flat carbon panel is removed when the nose is fitted then and is only in place when the team are working on the car with the nose off.
I agree. You can see the 4 bolts that hold it on. It is covering either the ducting or some suspension component they don't want discovered.
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Sorry if this has been asked...

Does MS have a grid penalty this race because of the 'box?

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Fredy4 wrote:Sorry if this has been asked...

Does MS have a grid penalty this race because of the 'box?
No, he said he served it last race by retiring.
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Ah, I didn't realise it worked like that.

Thanks

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The nose cone hole is most likely used for both blowing the wing and driving cooling. Don't forget the F-duct works by switching the airflow between 2 exits. The default will be air from the nose cone hole exits in to the cockpit, then when activated it switches to blowing the front wing and stalling it. The McLaren f-duct system works the same way in that air entering the intake on the airbox would be default exit just above the beam wing, but when activated it would switch to blowing the rear wing.

I suspect using the nose hole in this way is legal is that it's not clearly ducted to blow the front wing, it'll be ducted to the cockpit as it should be but the hollow wing pylons are probably exposed to this airflow.

For it to work though I would imagine the shape and size of the cavity in the nose cone is very specifically designed, would love to see a picture of the inside of it.

I would imagine the 'plate' attached to the end of the chassis forms part of the cavity in the nose cone, it probably seals it forcing airflow to go underneath that plate, then perhaps when it's 'switched on' the two ducts prevent the air flowing in that direction and it flows down the wing pylons instead.

Hmmm. We need a diagram.

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You are Probably right Diesel

anyways Pirelli has downplays MErc's tyre degradation issue
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98298

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bhallg2k wrote:I guess I should have used something a little more apparent than blue dots on the picture I presented earlier.

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You're quoted by Craig Scarborough @ScarbsF1:
BINGO! bhallg2k from @f1technical found the Merc FW ducts coming through the chassis (arrowed) http://bit.ly/GMeYQL
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nice!

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great work bhallg2k

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Is that legal?
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Those look like they can carry a good amount of CFM.

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are those the same 2 tubes running from the rear crash structure into the engine cover exit?

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Morteza wrote:Is that legal?
I can confirm that Scarbs thanking bhallg2k for the discovery is 100% legal.
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