Mercedes AMG F1 W03

[motobaleno]

Today Michael can be in top 5 ...

presently you could achieve this only if the GP ends after Q3 or it lasts 10 laps...

[motobaleno]

I would say not much to tell on this race, I would say Michael made a terrible Start it his fault, and it became worse when grojean come into the scene. but i am not losing hope to this car, a Podium will come this year. and I think it will happen soon. they made an improvement from melbourne to Sepang, I just want to see a dry Race, because this race was for everybody to take.

I agree with you that a podium could come this year.
It seemed to me that your expectations were a little bith higher

[manchild]

Actually, I see a bit different what is going on in MGP this season.
Unlike previous two season, this car was tailored 100% up to MSC demands. Keke is still silent, but not for long I hope. Nico isn't underachieving, he was silently demoted to backup driver, and that was main NO-NO when Keke made the deal with Mercedes. Just wait and see how internal events in team will develop. Mercedes has shown such unprofessional vanity, favoring MSC no matter what, even though it already proved as wrong every time they've made changes on the car upon his requests in previous two seasons.

Are you in a parallel universe or something? who cares where Michael or Rosberg is if the team finishes in 2 races behind the midfield??

As for the MGP, Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

they should really read that quote
3 years, tyre problems, no engineers changed, they are simply insane.

I am a Mercedes fan, but this is not Mercedes, this is Honda
the sad thing is, Michael is wasting his 2nd career...it could have been an amazing story...

I think you didn't get my point. The whole Mercedes team suffers for years because they overpaid MSC believing that his comeback will equal his 8th title. When MSC began underachieving in the first season, they made changes on the car which he demanded. That only ruined Nico's results as it took him time to get used to modified car. Nico was still twice better.

In following year Nico had shown again that MSC is too old and/or unable to win with serious competition and without dominant car. That obviously wasn't enough for Mercedes to get over their 100 mil. wasted in contract with MSC, so they've promoted MSC and No1 driver for 2012, made car to suit just him, totally disregarding Nico.

Since 2012, Nico is in Mercedes what Massa, Barrichello and Irivine were to MSC at Ferrari. Not to mention that Brawn is in the team. As I mentioned, expect furious reaction from Keke very soon, because he won't tolerate their wiping floor with Nico for the sake of MSC's vanity.

W03 isn't a dog because Mercedes has bad engineers and facilities, no. That car is a dog because there are people on top who are MSC junkies, hooked on fairytale of his greatness, so much that they are letting him make demands about car design, which in fact might have intention to make car even more uncompetitive, so that he could have excuse for not delivering what was expected from him.

[Huntresa]

The car just eats tyres...

[Med4224]

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plz read what you typed again and again, and pass the brownies bro!

1. Nico was on top in several occasions, practices, Q1, Q2
No one is responsible for his bad qualifying except his own mistakes, just like Michael last year

2. Who cares who comes on top when both cars finish behind the midfield???
who cares if Glock finishes ahead of Pic??

3. Michael is doing much better this year simply because of the loss of EBD and the different tires, Rosberg will match him soon

4. If Mercedes don't work out their tyre issues, we'll be arguing about a guy who finishes 10th and the other 11th... If you have stock in the mercedes team, sell it now

[Med4224]

Michael: "It's clear from today that there is still a lot of work for us to do to take our pace from qualifying into the race, and I am sure the guys are already thinking very hard about finding a solution. But this will not be done from one race to another, it will take some time, and we need to give it that time. "

Rosberg: " But then I had problems with my intermediate tyres; the degradation was very high which forced me to do another pit stop for a new set"

Brawn: "Clearly we have a conundrum with this car that we have to unravel. After such an encouraging qualifying session, and indeed the fuel runs that we did on Friday, we struggled to get the tyres to work properly in the race today. There were little windows when we seemed to get them working and other times where we fell out of them completely. I don't believe that we are abusing the tyres, just not using them properly, and it's a problem that we have to solve if we are going to move forward with the car."

These same quotes can work for 2010 and 2011...
They made a quick car, except when it has to use tyres

Honda GP = irony at its best

[Huntresa]

plz read what you typed again and again, and pass the brownies bro!

1. Nico was on top in several occasions, practices, Q1, Q2
No one is responsible for his bad qualifying except his own mistakes, just like Michael last year

2. Who cares who comes on top when both cars finish behind the midfield???
who cares if Glock finishes ahead of Pic??

3. Michael is doing much better this year simply because of the loss of EBD and the different tires, Rosberg will match him soon

4. If Mercedes don't work out their tyre issues, we'll be arguing about a guy who finishes 10th and the other 11th... If you have stock in the mercedes team, sell it now

The tyres havent changed that much so it affect the drivers, its just that there is no longer huge gaps in performance seen espec this Weekend, and ofc profile change which just is a benefit for everyone, not just MSC.

The numbers for the tyres are that the medium is 25% harder then supersoft and Hard is 31% harder, so 6% diff on the tyres this weekend, thats not alot.

[Med4224]

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The tyres havent changed that much so it affect the drivers, its just that there is no longer huge gaps in performance seen espec this Weekend, and ofc profile change which just is a benefit for everyone, not just MSC.

The numbers for the tyres are that the medium is 25% harder then supersoft and Hard is 31% harder, so 6% diff on the tyres this weekend, thats not alot.[/quote]

am just going on what he said, from the first day in the W02 on these tyres he said he liked them better
and you could see his driving even in the W02 was very different
much more confident through corners

he also likes the W03, says he has to make less corrections during corners and so on
but to claim that Rosberg is struggling because the team built a car for Michael is "outlandish" (to be pc)
tooooooooo early to asses that

[SchumiSutil]

Congratulation to Mercedes.

They manage to be worse and worse every year. This time, there are 9th with 1 point after 2 races.
Even worse than last year, which is fantastic, as they had already put the bar high last year.



Schumacher should go back to Switerland, he did not deserved such a bad car, and Nico should ask to get back to Williams !

[wesley123]

what is this for rubbish?

So they had 2 bad results due to bad luck? Sure the car is bad...

Excuse me but this is just stupid, the car qualifies two rows up compared to last year and the car is worse? Also didnt Schumacher drove in 3rd place last race and was pretty sure of a podium finish until his gearbox failed?

I never knew that a car that is way, way faster compared to last year is worse, but maybe I just need new glasses

[SchumiSutil]

Qualif pace is much better, but what for a race pace !
On inter, when you have to have a sensitive car to keep them in shape, you just saw how bad it was for Mercedes.

Being on pole worth nothing if you have no tyres from lap 3 to the finish !

[lillschumi]

OK back to the car.

It´s got speed on low fuel loads on pair with the best so i think it´s safe to say the Aero is OK (no need to fire Loic).

If you look at the overall design to me it´s quite a narrow and slim car as opposite as f.i the Mclaren which to me is quite "wide". Could it be that they gone for a slightly higher CoG with the gain of having it slimmer, whearas Mclaren f.i have gone for lower CoG and by that wider. I guess it´s about how you have shape fueltanks and place components.

That could somehow explain the performance issues/diffrences between qualy and race for the car. with an empty fueltank you only get the benefits of the slimmer car but when fueled then you also get the drawback.

[valachus]

Hello folks, longtime lurker here, but as a mostly non-technical guy I never felt I could post anything of relevance here.
Anyway, after today's race I have a suspicion about the weird MGP performances of late.. last year they were start rockets, this one not so much.
However... I'm thinking that MGP is perhaps the only team to not make full use of the exhaust gases for tyre temperature control... at today's start everyone was rocketing past MS, while Rosberg didn't do any wonders either further back... then MSC took a mid-distance runner approach and ran circles around Rosberg's sprinter style strategy... then Perez mentioned in the press conference that he had problems with the front tyres, something that also happened to Hamilton during the race . Both the Sauber and the McL however did not have obvious problems maintaining traction and controlling degradation - unlike the MGP obviously - so their rear tyres are behaving differently than their fronts, right?
Now, I'm thinking that perhaps the rubber compound is much more sensitive to temperature changes than it appears.. so that on its surface it behaves like a shape-memory alloy.. but if the rubber is kept in a nice hot bubble of exhaust gas then the driver doesn't have to handle it like live grenades.. which is how the MGP drivers seem to be forced to. Does my rambling make any sense to you?

[issues4]

MANCHILD...
lol, it is well documented and conversed over that MS is not a top erner in F1 since his comback. I think Brundle or someone stated that he is only earning a reported 6 or 7 mil a year. that is on par with what button got before his WDC. anyway....MS's marketability alone brings in way more than they pay him, hell i think the merc AMG MS merch they sell covers that...couple that with the fact that he is still chasing the young guns around and would probably make vettel look silly in the same car..he is a VERY good deal to any team at that price IMO...i wouldnt even be surprized if Merc pay's "always-P7 -Britneys " salary with a fraction of the money Ms brings to the team ....

[Med4224]

what is this for rubbish?

So they had 2 bad results due to bad luck? Sure the car is bad...

Excuse me but this is just stupid, the car qualifies two rows up compared to last year and the car is worse? Also didnt Schumacher drove in 3rd place last race and was pretty sure of a podium finish until his gearbox failed?

I never knew that a car that is way, way faster compared to last year is worse, but maybe I just need new glasses

The car is incredibly fast and consistent
a big big step forward

tyre usage as worse as it was
we all know this is a tyre era in formula 1

what "top team" keeps having the same problem three years in a row?

bad luck is not an issue, that is fine
but Nico being the only driver on the grid (other than Button -accident-) to use two inter sets, and both destroyed in the first 4 laps ????
Michael having to lap slower than SENNA in a WILLIAMS to preserve his tyres till he takes HARD slicks for 14 laps? seriously?